March Log

March Log

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SAA New Members - Welcome Aboard

The following new members signed on with the SAA in March 2010;

ex LSUCSM Robert 'Bob' Milne, Tamworth NSW. Partner Bronwyn. Served on HMS Finwhale, HMS Amphion and HMS Opportune.

CAPT Lindsay Irwin OAM, RAN (Rtd) (Ex WOEW), Emmaville NSW. Partner Jacqueline. Served on HMAS Orion, HMAS Otama, HMAS Onslow and HMAS Oxley.

ex ABUCSM Geoffrey 'Nosmo' King, Grafton NSW. Served on HMAS Otway '69/74.

The following new members signed on with the SAA in January - February 2010;

ex CPOCOXNSM Milton George 'Pat' Pascoe, Rivett ACT. Partner Tessa. Served on HMS Olympus, HMS Opossum, HMAS Oxley, HMAS Otway, HMAS Ovens, HMAS Onslow, HMAS Orion and HMAS Otama.

LEUT Keith Pearse RAN, Beaumont Hills NSW. Partner Megan. Served on HMAS Ovens ('87 & '91-92), HMAS Otama ('89-90 & '98-99), HMAS Orion ('88) and HMAS Onslow ('93-96).

ex ABUCSM Robert (Bob) Gordon Baker, Bullsbrook WA. Partner Jeni. Served on HMAS Otama (Plankowner) and HMAS Orion '77-80

ex EMCS Kent Weekly - Murrigta California, USA. Partner Lorena. Served on USS Bonefish 74/76 and 84/87, USS Grayback 76/81 and DSV-3 Turtle 88/91. On Bonefish in '75 when host to Otway at RIMPAC.

Join the SAA. Remember, the more Members the more the policy makers in Canberra listen, there is strength in numbers. Details on SAA Membership are provided on the Application Form.

AT LAST NEW MEMBERS IN 2010!!! WHY NOT YOU??? ASK FOR DETAILS NOW, DEEP DOWN YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE!!

Birthdays
The following old tarts survived another year and have had, or are having, a Birthday.

Aquarius
Jan 21st - Feb 19th
You have an inventive mind and are inclined to progressive. Unlike all the other losers out there, you are without fault. You are the closest that our Creator ever got to perfection. All Aquarians are capable of walking on water! You should feel honoured if considered a friend of an Aquarian.
Pisces
Feb 20th -Mar 19th
You have a weird sense of imagination and often think you are being followed by aliens. You have a minor influence on your friends and people resent you for flaunting this imaginary power. You lack confidence and smell funny.
Why isn't my Birthday here? I hear this often, the answer is simple, I either don't like you or I rely on Plaxo to help me manage the almost 1300 people in Up Periscope's mailing list and you are not using it. So if you want to be listed, fill in your details on Plaxo next time I send an update request.

March
1st: Royal Australian Navy & Eric Fleming
2nd: Ron Bucci
3rd: Graham Blackman & Clem Marsters
4th: Richard Gellie & Kim Pitt
5th: Graham Atkinson
6th: Brett Campany, Mike Southward & Gary Payseno
7th: Tony Wise & Eoin Asker
9th: Barry Nobes, Neal Garnett & Bill Wyatt
10th: David Nicholls, Eric Ryle & Craig Cope
11th: Peter Clarke, Wayne Gilligan & James Aitken
12th: Dave Perry
13th: Mick Carew, Keith Amos, Andy Keay & Gilbert Wilson
14th: John Fisher & Max Bryant
15th: Wayne Lloyd
16th: Paul Gregg & Alan Brain
17th: Gary 'Scouse' Bromley
19th: John O'Brien & Brendan McHarg
21st: Warren Gardner & Steve Humphries
25th: Douglas Craig, Brian Mathews, Paul McCallum & Peter Carter
26th: Trevor Hillier, Ricky Roberts, Wally Whitfield & Thor Lund
27th: Sid Czabotar, Peter Price & Chris Lewis
28th: William Mitchell
29th: Bill O'Reilly
30th: Strech Vierveyzer, Michael Turnbull & Tony 'Fruitbat' Smith
31st: John Mills, Derrick Roper & Ian Prodger

Birthday Calculator. After you've finished reading the info, click again, and see what the moon looked like the night you were born.

Have you been in contact with an old shipmate lately? If you know that one of your mates has had a few problems, be they health or family issues, a call from a mate can make them realise YOU CARE. Get on the phone now, you will (hopefully) never know how much it means.

ETERNAL PATROL - ex ABUWSM William 'Shorty' Needham
It is with much regret that we advise of the passing of William 'Shorty' Needham. Shorty passed peacefully at about 0910 this morning at the Palliative Care unit of the Townsville Hospital. He had been suffering from throat cancer.

Shorty joined the Navy in 1964 as a Junior Recruit and served on Derwent, Vampire and Queenborough. He transferred to Submarines in 1969 and paid off as an ABUW/SM in 1974. I believe that he served in HMAS Otway, Oxley and possibly Onslow (although I'm not entirely sure of this).

CMDR Terence Roach AM, RAN (Rtd) noted that Shorty, while serving in HMAS Otway, was one of two divers who were instrumental in bring the raft containing the survivors of the foundered ketch ‘One and All’ alongside the submarine during the rescue operation in 1974. He and (then) LEUT Rick Canham showed great courage in entering the turbulent waters at night to effect the rescue.

Terry added "I recall they both received a Commendation from the Flag Officer Commanding the Australian Fleet [FOCAF] for their bravery. He was a good sailor."

The Funeral service for Shorty was held at the Woongarra Crematorium at 1100 Friday 26 March 2010. Woongarra is just south of Townsville on the Bruce Highway. For members of the SAA, please wear dolphins and medals as a sign of respect.

Our thoughts at this time are with Robyn and family.

.If you have any questions, please contact SAA NQ Branch Secretary, Garth Schmidt

Sunday, 28^th March 2010

So much to do and so little desire to do it..............

Spent time in Brisbane again this week and a plan of attack for the second phase of my treatment will be unveiled next week after the results of tests are back. I feel good, but tire easily and find I am having more and more little naps during the day, and cannot seem to finish anything I start. My attention span and ability to concentrate not like it should be, a change of medication may resolve it said the Doctor. But not yet...........

This is the time of year that the Treasurer (John Rana) and I spend countless hours chasing up annual subscriptions. The task is made difficult by the number of Members that move and change contact details, but forget to tell us. I am spending hours trying to track down Members and it should not be necessary.

I spent most of this weekend trying to mow overgrown lawns and knock back the weeds, normally tasks that I like to do, but a combination of weather, health and a broken down ride on have pissed me off. to make it worse, Niggs keeps trying to help and I find the piles of green waste scattered everywhere as soon as I turn my back. Niggs loves gardening............

I have had a few reports that a few of our mates are not travelling too well and I urge you all to contact a mate or two before ANZAC Day, especially if they have been down or unwell. Why not try and get them to attend a service with you, preferably a SAA Branch assembly.

I am happy to say that there have been no reports from anyone after Uluri passed across the North of Queensland, I hope this is the case.

Been able to get a bit more onto the Log this week, still some stuff outstanding, but I keep running out of time (and interest) so be patient.

Love you all.......

SAA BRANCH NEWS

The next meeting of the Queensland Branch will be held at the Coorparoo RSL (Galaxy Room) 1100 Sunday 11 April 2010.
Secretary Graeme Caesar reports "I am pleased to be able to let you know that we have been able to arrange for some very special guests at our April 11th meeting to talk about DFRDB and Service Pensions and the current moves by the Federal Government to hand over management and our rights to a bunch of bureaucrats and union officials."

"For those of us currently in receipt of a pension and for those who will one day join us, this is probably one of the most important meetings that we are ever likely to get the chance to attend, so please make every effort to be there and to let your mates know as well, whether they are members of SAA QLD Inc. or not (visitors are always welcome at our meetings)."

Guest speakers will be:

Rear Admiral Ken Doolan, National President of the RSL;
Les Dwyer, National President of the NAA; and
Ken Railton, State President of the DFWA.

Don’t miss out – Hear the word – Have your say

Graeme Caesar
Secretary, SAA Queensland Inc.
Phone: 0418 449 528
Email: secretary@saaqld.org
Web: www.saaqld.org

SAA Events Calendar

Date & Time	State	Event	Remarks
11^th April - 1100	QLD	General Meeting	Galaxy Room Coorparoo RSL Club. Contact Graeme Caesar for details or visit the SAA QLD website.
15^th April - 1100	NAA WA	HMAS Orion Fin Dedication	A Service will be conducted at the NAA Point Peron to dedicate the fin erected by the NAA Rockingham. Contact Paul Meakin for details.
18^th April - 1100	VIC	Social Meeting	Venue ESU, South Yarra. Committee meet 11am to finalise Anzac Day arrangements. Contact Keith Hatfield for details.
25^th April	NSW	ANZAC DAY	King St. followed by Strattons Hotel
25^th April	QLD	ANZAC DAY	Details TBA - Brisbane and at Coorparoo RSL after. Contact Graeme Caesar for details or visit the SAA QLD website.
25^th April	WA	ANZAC DAY	Fremantle, Post March Rosie O'Grady's. Contact Paul Meakin for details.

CONGRATULATIONS - AWARD OF SUBMARINE QUALIFICATION
ABAWA B. Tisdall - HMAS Farncomb
ABETSM M.T. Batterham
ABAWASM J.D. Wilton - HMAS Farncomb
ABMTSM P. Tullipan - HMAS Waller

AROUND THE TRAPS

Bob Milne contacted me and said "I Googled Darkie Pember's name in the hope of tracking him down and rekindling a friendship which started on HMS Opportune and was deeply saddened to read of his death in Up Periscope. I was with him during the building and commissioning of Opportune in Scotland 1966. I found Up Periscope so interesting and informative I was wondering if there is any way I can become more involved, for example is there a membership fee? Being ex-R.N. but having moved to Australia with my Australian wife Bronwyn, now residing in Tamworth NSW, am I able to be a financial member as I would be interested in locating other Australian Submariners serving on Opportune in the aforementioned time frame." Bob was informed how to join and we now welcome him as a Member. If you served with Bob he can be contacted on 0429 662 425.

Tony Critchley is back in Australia and said "Hi Norm, How goes it over there in excessive rain, I returned (to WA) from the Sunshine Coast last Saturday. Every river I crossed was near breaking its banks. I was there for 7 days doing a course never stopped raining. This is my second season without any winter, after returning from the Middle East. Boy I'm looking forward to a cooling off and rain over here."

WA Member Ray Clarke, on hearing of Shorty Needham's death, wrote "This is starting to hit home, I joined with Shorty and was a great mate. I hope the saying of only the good die young is true. I'm in great health and trying to stay that way by consuming a large amount of GOOD wine. Will miss the 2010 AGM due to directive from the boss to go too sea and travel the world. Sea time above the waves is great on a 75000 ton vessel. Keep well and I shall return." Some (not me) may be unkind and say that Nobby is finally getting some sea time up, something he seldom did on boats.........

Victorian Branch Secretary, Boot Hatfield, is looking for someone who may possess high definition graphics of ensigns. He wrote "The committee for 2011 want to have crossed ensigns, the RN and the RAN. What they want is something like a V shape with an ensign hanging off each stroke of the V. They want to put words in like -"A tribute to the RAN" in between the V so would want each ensign to be separate - if that makes sense. I've searched and searched but can't find anything suitable. Do you know of anyone, or where I may get such a thing?" Can any Photoshop experts out their help? If so contact Boot.

Pete "Scrubber" Burges thinks he was the one who originated an email stating the 6 person removed theory. He said "At the time I was looking for Keith Dunbar, aka crowbar, aka the crow." I have put him in touch with Stuart, Keith's son.

Ken Greenwoods said "Spread the buzz. Next Friday (2nd April) on ABC 1 at 20:00. The Collectors, will feature HMAS Ovens and the Fremantle Maritime Museum." This photo was taken at the Remembrance Day Service alongside Ovens at the Museum in 2008.

Bruce 'Bruta' McClennan writes "Reading my e-mails and was shocked to hear about Shorty Needham, I used to flat with him in Crows Nest, joined boats the same time as well... Will miss SUBCON which is a bummer, like you I did the first trip there. I am in Muscat Oman at present although I will be going to Dubai soon then into Iran. I will be in the middle east till July, if you know of any of the lads who may be in this area lat me know.. PS If any old photos pop up with me in them could you tell me the source. Would you believe I have no photos of me in the mob... Hope you are still on the improve." If you have any photos, let me know. I know how he feels, I lost most of mine during a removal.

AUSTRALIAN ETIQUETTE

GENERAL
1. Never take an open stubby to a job interview.
2.. Always identify people in your paddocks before shooting at them.
3. It's tacky to take an Esky to church.
4. If you have to vacuum the bed, it's time to change the sheets.
5. Even if you're certain you're included in the will, it's rude to take your ute and trailer to the funeral.

DINING OUT
1. When decanting wine from the box, tilt the paper cup and pour slowly so as not to bruise the wine.
2. If drinking directly from the bottle, hold it with only one hand.

ENTERTAINING IN YOUR HOME
1. A centrepiece for the table should never be anything prepared by a taxidermist.
2. Don't allow the dog to eat at the table, no matter how good his manners.

PERSONAL HYGIENE
1. While ears need to be cleaned regularly, this should be done in private, using one's OWN ute keys.
2. Even if you live alone, deodorant isn't a waste of money.
3. Extensive use of deodorant can only delay bathing by a few days.
4. Dirt and grease under the fingernails is a no-no, it alters the taste of finger foods and if you are a woman it can draw attention away from your jewellery.

DATING
1. First date - always offer to put the fish bait on your date's hook.
2. Be assertive. Let her know you're interested, "I've been wanting to go out with you ever since I read that stuff about you on the dunny door two years ago."
3. Establish with her parents what time she's expected back. Some will say 11:00 PM , others might say 'Monday.' If the latter is the answer, it's the man's responsibility to get her to school on time.

THEATRE/CINEMA
1. Crying babies should be taken to the lobby and picked up after the movie ends.
2. Refrain from yelling abuse at characters on the screen. Tests have proven they can't hear you.

WEDDINGS
1. Livestock is a poor choice for a wedding gift.
2. Kissing the bride for more than five seconds may cause a drop in your popularity. (Excessive use of tongue is also considered out of place).
3. For the groom, at least, rent a tux. A tracksuit with a cummer-bund and a clean football jumper can create a tacky appearance.
4. Though uncomfortable, say 'yes' to socks and shoes for the occasion.

DRIVING
1. Dim your headlights for approaching vehicles, even if your gun's loaded and the roo's in your rifle sight.
2. When entering a roundabout, the vehicle with the largest roo bar doesn't always have the right of way.
3.. Never tow another car using panty hose and duct tape.
4. When sending your wife down the road with a petrol can, it's impolite to ask her to bring back beer too.

Vale - Jock Conlan
The Canadian SAOC reports the passing of Jock Conlan several evenings ago in Victoria Hospice. Jock was a Royal Navy Submarine Veteran with service in Tapir and Artful, and our deepest sympathy is extended to wife Betty and family.

Vale - David “Monty” Banks
John Culnane wrote "I received this info about, David “Monty” Banks, stoker, ex HMS/m TACITURN 1963 – 1966, from an ex S/m mate in the UK, Brian “Blood” Reed. “Blood” was a stoker on HMS Trump and also served on Taciturn and Tabard in the 4th S/m days.

Monty and I lived in the same block of flats in Narrabeen during our S/m 4 days and he was also on HMS/m Porpoise during the time that you were in Faslane doing your part 3 thing… When I returned with TACITURN to the UK my family and I lived with Monty and Brenda until we could get our own house in Bradford, Yorks. I was serving on HMS/m Resolution at the time, so Monty and I used to travel on weekend leave from Faslane to home together most weekends, when we weren’t “punching holes in the ocean” that is…

Up until I received this email today I did not have any idea where Monty was as we lost touch when I posted to Singapore S/m 7 & eventually to Perth, so this has come as quite a shock to me as Monty would have still been quite young when he went on his “final patrol… A lot of ex S/m 4 people will remember “Monty” and I thought you might want to put this info and the photograph into the “chief stoker’s log” for their information."

The email that John referred to from Brian Reed said "No doubt you will recognise Monty? He's the one in the middle. He is at a Submariners Re-union a few years ago (2008). The one on the left is David (Charlie) Watts; formerly a Stoker PO off Porpoise, the other is Ginge Cundell ex Chief Stoker. Unfortunately Monty died in 2009, Brenda his first wife died quite a few years ago, and his son from that marriage also died, haven’t heard a thing about Donna-Michel, the daughter. Monty was onto his 3rd wife, a Thai-bride, when he died. Mine and Monty's paths crossed quite a bit during our careers. We flew home from Aussie together, then I came across him on the Bomber programme, and after he left the mob he ran a bar in Dunfermline, Scotland, appropriately called Monty's Bar. It was very well known and always visited by Matelots from Rosyth Dockyard. Another claim to fame of Monty's was that he was the first manager of the heavy rock group Iron Maiden? Or somebody like that. The last time I spoke to David he was running a Thai restaurant just outside Bath, in Somerset.

Ken Gordert from San Diego, USofA writes "I am a retired U.S. Navy Submarine Radioman Chief Petty Officer (RMC/SS). I served on the following boats: USS Benjamin Franklin SSBN-640, USS Birmingham SSN-695, and USS Honolulu SSN-718. I also had tours of duty at Naval Submarine Training Center Pacific, Pearl Harbor, HI (two tours) & COMSUBPAC Communications Center, Pearl Harbor. I am a member of the USSVI (United States Submarine Veterans Incorporated) San Diego Base & the ISA-USA. "

"I write you in the hope that you can help me obtain an electronic copy of the Australian Navy's Uniform Regulations. If not directly, indirectly by providing me with a point of contact. I am performing research to write a book identifying countries in the world that operate submarines, the uniforms worn by their submariners, the submarine insignia that are "authorized" to be worn, and the authorized manor in which they are worn. This will require access to all the countries Uniform Regs to properly document these subjects."

"According to "Jane's Fighting Ships" there are from 45-50 countries that have submarines and a few that will have them shortly. I am a long way from obtaining all the countries Uniform Regulations. Any help you could afford me would be greatly appreciated. I believe this information related to submarine insignia will be well received by the international submarine community once it is compiled. I hope to have this project done within the next year or two. I don't know if I will be done by this years ISA event but hopefully in time for next years at the latest."

In a footnote Ken asked "Would you happen to have a guy named Perry Welch on you rolls? He was a Australian Submarine Communicator and I used to trade submarine insignia with Perry back in the late eighties. We also worked together in the COMSUBPAC Communications Center for a RIMPAC. I believe it was 1990 but I might be off by a year. If so, could you forward me his contact information. I put all the addees on this email in the hope that one of them might know Perry." Perry Welsh (Coffs Harbour) has been contacted regarding Ken's email and Darren Thompson (ANOTHER THAT CAN TALK UNDERWATER) has offered to assist him in getting the information required.

SAA Annual Subscriptions
If you appear on the list below it means that your Annual Subscription is due. You should have received at least one notice by either mail or email. If you did not then please let me know, your contact details may be out of date, I am getting a lot or returns. Included in this list are some Members that did not renew in 2009, this is your chance to renew without penalty. Payment as soon as possible would be appreciated so that the Treasurer can finalise his books for this financial year (31 March).

The Annual fees are;

Annual subscription: $10

5 year subscription: $40

25 year subscription: $175

Payment details are;

Treasurer, SAA

John Rana,

5 Mirror Cove
Waikiki WA 6169

Details for Payment by EFT:

Bank: Aust Defence Credit Union

Account: 705414 BSB: 802 397

If you are a ADCU member put in S6 after the account number.

If you DO NOT wish to renew please notify the secretary so that our records can be updated and we will save a lot of wasted time trying to chase you up.

Andrews, R, QLD	Freeleagus, LG, QLD	Macdonald, JD, QLD - Paid	Smith, WD, NSW
Andrews, E, OS	Galloway, R, NSW	Mariotto, , VIC	Smith, GG, NSW - Paid
Anscomb, PR, NSW	Gannon, RT, NSW	Masterson, MG, NK	Snudden, DR, NSW
Barlow, J, NSW	Gilbertson, DJ, VIC	Maynard, , NSW	Standing, M, VIC
Barnes, M, NSW - Paid	Girard, PJ, NSW - Paid	Mccallum, P, VIC	Stein, J, NSW
Bateson, D, NSW	Gregg, , TAS	Mckenzie, G, QLD	Stepetz, , NSW
Bennett, M, VIC - Paid	Hackenberg, , QLD	McMinn, R, NSW	Stephens, SW, VIC
Bowra, T, NSW	Hall, PG, NSW	Merrigan, L, NSW	Stokman, J, WA
Boyles, W, TAS	Hamilton, , NSW	Metcalf, , VIC	Strawhan, MDA, NSW
Braid, AD, NSW	Hanson, M, NSW	Mitchell, CA, WA	Thomas, SC, WA
Braund, JC, QLD	Harrison, , OSEAS	Murrell, PD, TAS	Thompson, , QLD
Bundy, R, NSW	Harrison, TE, NSW	Newman, M, VIC	Tuckwood, FR, QLD
Callaghan, G, NT	Hartridge, P, WA	O'Brien, W, NSW	Tunbridge, , QLD
Cherry, GJ, TAS	Hawthorne, , WA	O'Brien, KE, HERRE	Varnadore, LP, WA
Churchill, HE, NSW	Hempstead, KR, QLD	O'Neill, JG, ACT	Vidulich, , QLD
Clark, RD, QLD	Henwood, N, NSW - Paid	Orkney, RE, VIC	Walsh, D, NSW
Coldwell, T, NSW	Hillman, M, QLD	Osborne, AS, NSW	Walters, RD, QLD
Collins, P, NSW - Paid	Hoare, D, VIC	Osborne, WT, ACT	Waples, , OSEAS
Cooper, RJ, NSW	Hodges, , VIC	Pardoe, MS, ACT	Warwick, AM, NSW
Creighton, K, QLD	Holding, , WA	Parkin, AB, NSW	Watson, DP, NSW
Daley, FJ, NSW	Hollis, A, NSW	Patch, B, QLD	Watson, DJP, TAS
Dangerfield, AR, NSW	Holmes, , NSW	Patrick, RL, NSW	Weller-Lewis, PA, NSW
Davidson, MJ, NSW	Hopman, A, ACT	Perrin, C, NSW	Wernas, , VIC
Davis, S, NSW	Hosking, , QLD	Platt, RAS, NSW	Westwood, GJE, NSW
Dearnley, S, NSW	Hughes, AO, ACT	Prigmore, S, NSW	White, , VIC
Delaney, F, VIC	James, AD, ACT	Protheroe, , NSW	White, GD, WA
Dening, R, WA	Jeppesen, M, NSW - Paid	Raabe, KJ, QLD	Wilkinson, , NSW
Didsbury, DB, VIC	Johnstone, AM, SA	Reid, JB, NSW	Wilkinson, AJ, NSW
Dikkenberg, GJ, NSW	Jones, K, NSW	Reinke, C, WA	Willcock, A, SA
Draper, G, QLD	Keeton, , QLD	Robertson, TJ, NSW	Williams, RJ, ACT
Evatt, PG, NSW	Kelley, , NSW	Ross, GH, QLD	Williams, PR, NSW
Everard, T, NSW	Keough, A, NSW	Rozen, , NSW	Williams, JEF, NSW
Fearnside, EA, VIC	Laird, AJ, NSW	Schmidt, GL, QLD	Williams, J, Qld - Paid
Flannery, SJ, SA	Lees, PJ, VIC	Seear, , VIC	Williamson, LG, QLD
Fleet, DJ, QLD - Paid	Lenehan, C,	Shorrock, T, QLD	Wilson, RD, VIC
Flemming, D, NSW	Loft, GS, TAS	Smith, A, ACT	Woodhams, , WA
Formby, PJ, NSW	Lynch, WM, QLD		Woods, A, QLD

MOST OUTRAGEOUS STATEMENT EVER MADE BY A PRESIDENT
Many of you may have read an email that is being circulated quoting the President with some very inflammatory statements. Unfortunately the people that send these to all and sundry seldom check for accuracy by 'Googling' for information on the subject. In short the email says:

A requirement for veterans to carry private health insurance to cover the estimated $540 million annual cost to the federal government of treatment for injuries to military personnel received during their tours on active duty and the Presidentwas quoted as saying that he was puzzled by the magnitude of the opposition to his proposal. "Look, it's an all volunteer force," Obama was said to have complained. "Nobody made these guys go to war. They had to have known and accepted the risks. Now they whine about bearing the costs of their choice? It doesn't compute." "I thought these were people who were proud to sacrifice for their country," Obama continued. "I wasn't asking for blood, just money.. With the country facing the worst financial crisis in its history, I'd have thought that the patriotic thing to do would be to try to help reduce the nation's deficit. I guess I underestimated the selfishness of some of my fellow Americans." Please pass this on to every one including every vet and their families whom you know. How in the world did a person with this mindset become our leader? REMEMBER THIS STATEMENT... "Nobody made these guys go to war. They had to have known and accepted the risks. Now they whine about bearing the costs of their choice?"

I suggest that you go to http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/veteranshealth.asp and read the full story. And I also suggest, research before sending on this type of crap!

Peter 'Possum' Adams reports that Dale recovered quite quickly after Possum dosed him up with poison last week. "I've got him out painting the shed and I finally got a decent size ANF to fly on our rather large flag pole at the"memerorial" from our Federal. Member - Alex Somalyay - only trouble now is to get a good sized White Ensign and Airforce Ensign/Flag to put inside our hall and an "Eternal Flame" for the wall for the "ODE"...... if anyone has any ideas or knows where to obtain said objects could they please contact me - hopefully before ANZAC Day." Peter is involved in setting up the RSL Club at Kennilworth in Queensland and any assistance will be greatly appreciated.

Patrick Beswick is trying to find an old shipmate. "As you can see from my email address I am contacting you from the UK. I am trying to trace a ex member of your submarine service who served with me aboard HMS Otter 1966-1969. At that time he was an ERA(1) 'Bob' Dunstan. I would very much appreciate any info with regards to this search. If he can be traced please feel free to provide him with my email address. I was always known as John whilst in boats. 1963-1978."

Veterans' Affairs & HEALTH MATTERS

Gentlemen

The message below has been received from the President of the Naval Association of Australia.

You will note the issue out of Defence/Repat and is now back into the arena of “Politicians”, and despite all the previous assurances has apparently been put back under the umbrella of the “Revisitation of the Clarke Committee Findings”. I am given to understand a decision could be made around “Budget” Time”.

Be assured “The President of the NAA” will do everything possible in support of our “Active Service” Recognition

Rob Woolrych
(Vice President SAA Qld Inc)

Shipmates,

I have been advised that “the Department of Defence has completed its review of these submarine special operations and has advised the Minister for Defence of its position on the proposed reclassification. This issue is before Government as part of the proposed response to the revisitation of Clarke recommendations”

As previously advised this has now moved out of Defence following consideration by the Repatriation Commission on a number of occasions in recent months.

I will be in Canberra attending the ESO Round Table meetings on Wednesday evening, Thursday and Friday, 24, 25 & 26 March and will not be contactable by mobile telephone during the day as I will be locked in meetings all day.

Kind regards,

Les Dwyer
National President
Naval Association of Australia

'Each for All - All for Each'

DEFENCE NEWS

The tar, the strippers and the $3000 tab
The newspaper reports that if the transactions on a trainee submarine officer's Defence credit cards were anything to go by, the naval officer had a night to remember. On August 2, 2008, the lieutenant allegedly paid $704 for a private lap dance from two strippers at the King Cross establishment, Showgirls. Eight minutes later he allegedly spent $209 for a bottle of sparkling wine and the company of a hostess for half an hour before allegedly splashing out $2198 over three hours to take two of the strip club's artists to another venue for drinks.

This week the Lieutenant faced a general court martial of the Australian Defence Force, held at Victoria Barracks, charged with misusing his Defence travel card in relation to the $3111 transactions.

The Lieutenant spent $726 on two transactions at Showgirls, using his own NAB Visa card. When that was overdrawn, he used his Defence travel card, the prosecution alleged.

The prosecution Officer said it was not for the panel to judge the Lieutenant's choice of venue, but ''the service provided by the World Famous Showgirls cannot be said to be used for the [needs of the] Commonwealth''.

The Lieutenant, who is undertaking submarine officer training on HMAS Stirling in Western Australia, pleaded not guilty to each charge. His defending officer conceded his client had been at Showgirls that evening but had experienced an ''alcohol blackout'' and had become the victim of a fraud. His client had been drinking ''inordinate amounts'' of beer and rum and it was reasonable to conclude that others, possibly members of Showgirls' staff, had been involved in the fraudulent use of the defence credit card.

The signatures on the Visa vouchers did not ''remotely resemble'' that of the Lieutenant - who had arrived home in a taxi before the final transaction was said to have taken place, he told the court. The following morning the Lieutenant reported the defence credit card lost and as a result Diner's Club began a fraud investigation. The Lieutenant later paid the amount in question.

The court martial continues.

I am extremely disappointed in this officer, is he not aware that these actions are reserved for Stokers and UWs? The Chief Stoker

Successful submarine escape and rescue exercise completed off the West coast
The Royal Australian Navy (RAN) has completed a successful personnel transfer from the submarine HMAS Waller, while it sat on the seabed off the West Australian coast.

The exercise of submarine escape and rescue is a requirement of the RAN's submarine safety system and demonstrates that the procedures and equipment are in place to rescue personnel in the event of a submarine incident.

The method of submarine escape exercised as part of Exercise Black Carillon involves personnel transferring from a bottomed submarine into the James Fisher Submarine Rescue Vehicle, LR5, for transportation to the surface.

Upon surfacing, personnel were tended to onboard the Australian rescue ship, Seahorse Standard, with specialised RAN medical teams and equipment embarked.

"Black Carillon is an extraordinarily valuable opportunity to exercise our submarine escape and rescue capability," said Commander Submarine Force, Captain Brett Sampson.

"The successful completion of the submarine escape as part of Exercise Black Carillon has demonstrated that the RAN is well equipped to take action to rescue submariners in the unlikely event of a submarine incident."

Black Carillon is the twelfth in a series of RAN submarine escape and rescue exercises designed to demonstrate RAN submarine rescue capability. The RAN uses annual Black Carillon exercises to train and demonstrate this ability.

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Niggs, where is the fish!!!

Sunday, 21^st March 2010

Know what pisses me off??? Chasing down contact details of Members that move and don't let their National or State Secretaries know. I spend hours each week and to be honest, I have better things to do with my time. To make matters worse, the offenders are the first to complain that they never hear from the Association. If you have changed contact details and forgot to inform us please fill in the form at http://submarinesaustralia.com/details.html.

My thanks to Connie Francis for pointing out a mistake that I made in last week's Log, asking if anyone knew where Terry Cain was. Connie pointed out that he was listed in Up Periscope as being on Eternal Patrol which was correct. Terry died died on Monday 29th October 2007 at the Mary Potter Hospice, Adelaide aged 54 years. Terry had been ill with cancer for some time. Terry did his Part Three in HMAS Ovens in 1973, later in that year he joined HMAS Otway serving in her until 1976. Terry joined the Association on ANZAC Day 1990. My apologies to his family and friends.

Too much happening here at the moment, this is your lot for the week.

AROUND THE TRAPS

David Bryant writes "I hope you are well – Just to let you know that I am thinking of you (Wet, Miserable, over run by chooks/snakes/dog/water/anything else horrible that Bauple has to offer? – You should have stayed in Adelaide – The weather here is booooooootiful!)." I was reminded of my feelings for Adelaide during a television show last week that pointed out that they have an expressway there that only goes in one direction - OUT, the best road in town! It is a nice place to visit for a day or two, but after that, it sucks................

Carol Wilson reports that she has arrived safely in Sydney. We all know how stressful a move can be and we wish you all the best in Sydney Carol. I look forward to catching up with you at SUBCON.

WA Member LCDR Guy Burton is another submariner that has made a pilgrimage to the desert. He writes "Salaam" . I was just catching up on the latest news on the website when I thought I had better drop you a quick line to let you know that all is going well here in the sand/dust pit that's known as Bahrain. With more than three quarters of the deployment completed, there's now just under six weeks to run at this discharge rate before I'm back home in Oz. My time here has been a great and rewarding experience for many reasons including working in a CTF/CTG environment (skimmer stuff!!) and seeing an interesting part of the world. Even had a stint at sea with the CTG staff onboard an RN Type 23 destroyer for two weeks - back at sea... what a shock to the system. Good fun and another great experience, lots of skimmer stuff - and at least it provided a pleasant change to the American styled cuisine in NAVCENTCOM."

"The CTFteam has been a good bunch to work with; there are several ex-submariners (LCDR Michael Drake, LCDR Matt Dunn and LCDR Darren Nasato in the group as well so conversations are not always skimmer related. Must sign off for now, take care. Dolphin 38."

Brett Manuel who is a POAWAS/M with the Rejoin Case Management Team visited the Holbrook Submarine Museum a month ago was impressed and decided to have the latest MK 10 Escape suit and raft sent over from the west. He brought them over with ABAWASM Michael Silvello, Museum Curator Roger (JJF) Cooper welcomed the equipment and thanked the RAN for their continuing support. The Escape suit and raft will be put on display next week.

Peter 'Possum' Adams writes "A BIG THANKS about our little "venture" into starting-up a new R.S.L. in our loverly LITTLE town of Kenilworth - you'll have to come down one day - we don't have a liqueur licence yet, so you'll have to bring your own beverage of choice hehe!!! The "hard work" has already started - I thought Vice-Pres. didn't do much, except to fill in at meetings if the President got a cold or something not too serious - my head hurts - my fingers are down to the bones with typing and writing and paper work coming out of my ears - been away from the teletypes of the WT Office for too long - ah what memories."

Possum continued with a tale of woe "I'm nursing Dale as I gave him some "anti-bacterial tabs" meant to be dissolved in water for cleaning babies bottles and such that my dentist told me to use to put my false-teeth into of a night-time, thinking they might stop his nagging cough.... it's worse than mine and he's not a smoker - WRONG - he swallowed it whole whilst I wasn't looking and ended up throwing-up everywhere!!!!! Wrong again - I rang my Doctor in a distressed state, only to be told to ring 000 immediately & he'd ring me back..... he did...having rang the Poisons Info Center - by this time I'd rang the Ambos. given some advice (which I'd already taken) and that an Ambo was on the way. My Doctor got back to me and I passed on all the relevant info and he advised me to just keep an eye on him - so back to 000 to say not to come out and use the Ambo. for a more important job.... so I'm a Nurse as well - ah well I'm an ex-Submariner - two aspirin and a good lie-down - at 45% - no snoozing!!! Could I put in for Cox'ns pay????" Possum is a nice bloke, but I think Dale should check to make sure no additional insurance policies have been taken out.

The Log does it again. Stuart Dunbar writes "I was looking through Google and found the Chief Stokers Log. (Feb 2010 or 2007). One line in there says Missing (in) action 'Peter Nash heard that if an email gets forwarded by six people he would find Keith Dunbar, ex-submariner of the Royal Navy. He was a stoker/ME. I am doing my bit, can you help?' I can help, Keith is my father. I will pass this web site on to him."

Peter Smith got an answer on one of the questions he raised last week. He said "I would like to thank Peter Reid for sending me the original song and the music title "Nobody loves like an Irishman" that the ditty about 'no one washes in a submarine'."

In a follow up email Graham Atkinson explained "The words are from a shanty called "Nobody Washes in a Submarine' The words you have are the chorus. Quote 'Submariners, like all navy personnel, enjoy an occasional song. One of the many songs heard in British submarines in the 20th Century (though not in WW2, as 'Tide', I am assured, was not introduced until after the war) was 'Nobody Washes in a Submarine', to a rather obscure tune (with acknowledgements to the late Cyril Tawney):

If you join submarines and you've got any pride, You won't use Persil and you won't use Tide.
If you go in the washroom all the boys declare: 'You'd better not take any soap in there.' Unquote

PS. Cyril Tawney also wrote the lyrics for "Diesel and Shale". I can't remember the tune it is sung to. For further info see: http://home.cogeco.ca/~gchalcraft/sm/domestics.html

After Making De Love the Italian says : 'When I've a finisheda makina da love with my girlfriend I go down and gently tickle the back of her knees, she floatsa 6 inches above a da bed in ecstasy'.

The Frenchman replies: 'Zat is nothing, when Ah 'ave finished making ze love with ze girlfriend, Ah kiss all ze way down her body and zen ah lick zer soles of her feet wiz mah tongue and she floats 12 inches above ze bed in pure ecstasy'.

The Aussie says: 'Mate, that's nothing. When I've finished shaggin my missus, I get out of bed, walk over to the window and wipe my dick on the curtains. And MATE ..... She hits the f*#king roof.'

UK Pensions ALERT
Michael Anderson sent sent the following information to all UK expats that he knows of, and have addresses for, who may draw UK Pensions. He said "They must read the full content to be aware of this item and be prepared to act. Follow this link “From BBC News” item and read it in full. Those who have “Company Pensions” are the most urgent cases to act. All Expats who spent more than 11 years in the RN should also be fully aware of their UK Armed Forces pension and State pension rights. They should Google “British pensions in Australia.”" Michael added "I am off to UK on 17th March for a Submarine (HMS/m Resolution Association) reunion at Rosyth, some of us will be privileged to go aboard the “Old Girl” but the numbers will restricted to 50."

Veterans' Affairs & HEALTH MATTERS

VETERAN PENSION RATES TO INCREASE

Minister for Veterans’ Affairs Alan Griffin said more than 356,000 veterans, war widows and widowers and their dependents will be receiving increases in their pensions and other income support payments from today, through indexation.

Mr Griffin said “Today’s increase sees single service pensioners receive an extra $29.20 a fortnight. This, combined with the Government's pension increases in September, has increased their pensions by around $100 per fortnight, bringing their pension to $701.10. “Couples on the service pension now receive an extra $44 a fortnight, bringing their combined pension to $1057.

The new pension rates will be paid from pension payday on 25 March 2010.

Pensions are indexed on 20 March and 20 September each year to the highest of three measures: the consumer price index (CPI), the pensioner living cost index, and growth in male total average weekly earnings (MTAWE). The Government's Pension Reforms increased the effective benchmark for singles from 25 per cent to 27.7 per cent of MTAWE.

The pension increases have been driven by an effective 4.6 per cent increase in the male total average weekly earnings while the cost of living has only risen by 1.5 per cent.

Deeming rate changes

As the economy recovers from the global economic crisis, rates of return on investments are also beginning to increase. As a result, the deeming rates, which are used to assess income from a range of financial investments held by pensioners and other income support recipients, will also increase on 20 March from the record low levels during the global economic crisis.

The lower deeming rate will increase from two per cent to three per cent for financial investments up to $42,000 for single pensioners or $70,000 for a couple.

The deeming rate will increase from three per cent to four and a half per cent for balances over these amounts.

New rates

Service pension	Old rate	Rate as of 20 March	Increase
Single person	$671.90	$701.10	$29.20
Couples (each)	$506.50	$528.50	$22.00
Couples (combined)	$1013.00	$1057.00	$44.00
War widow’s pension	$679.00	$709.60	$30.60
Income support supplement	$202.50	$211.90	$9.40
Totally and Permanently Incapacitated (Special Rate Pensioners)	$1022.10	$1069.30	$47.20
Intermediate rate disability pension	$693.50	$725.50	$32.00
Extreme Disablement Adjustment (EDA)	$564.10	$590.20	$26.10
100 per cent disability pension	$363.10	$379.90	$16.80
10 per cent disability pension	$36.31	$37.99	$1.68
Wholly dependent partners death benefit (weekly)	$307.90	$322.10	$14.20

Follow this Link to DVA Factsheet IS30 Rates and Limits - Pension Rates, Limits and Allowances Summary March 2003

Senate Inquiry into Amalgamation of Commonwealth Superannuation Schemes
Governance of Australian Government Superannuation Schemes Bill 2010, the ComSuper Bill 2010 and the Superannuation Legislation (Consequential Amendments and Transitional Provisions) Bill 2010

On 24 February 2010, the Senate, on the recommendation of the Selection of Bills Committee (Report No 2 of 2010) referred the Governance of Australian Government Superannuation Schemes Bill 2010, the ComSuper Bill 2010 and the Superannuation Legislation (Consequential Amendments and Transitional Provisions) Bill 2010 for inquiry and report by 15 March 2010. The reasons for the referral were to determine whether it is necessary to retain a separate board to administer the military superannuation schemes and whether these schemes differ markedly from other Commonwealth Government administered schemes.

The Committee received 197 public submissions and three confidential submissions, as well as 188 form letters, relating to the Bills. The Committee considered the Bills at a public hearing in Canberra on 11 March 2010. Details of the public hearing are referred to in Appendix 2. The submissions and Hansard transcript of evidence may be accessed through the Committee's website at http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/committee/fapa_ctte/index.htm.

Cancer care without claim
Many veterans may not be aware that DVA provides treatment for some conditions, including cancer, without an accepted claim for a service-related disability.

This non-liability health care does require a request to be made of DVA, supported by evidence from your doctor, however it does not need DVA to accept the cancer as being caused by service.

Factsheet HSV66 provides more details. For information on how to reduce your risk of cancer visit the DVA website.

DEFENCE NEWS
Manpower Inc. joins the Australian Defence Force
Manpower Inc., (NYSE:MAN) a world leader in the employment services industry, announced today that the Australian Defence Force (ADF) selected Manpower to lead its outcome-based recruiting services program. Delivering the largest and most complex Recruitment Process Outsourcing (RPO) program in the world, Manpower, the global leader in RPO, will manage ADF’s complete recruitment-process life cycle as a seamless extension of the company’s human resources department.

Defence Career Opportunity

Engineering Manager Submarine / Electrical Electronics Defence Systems

The Engineering Manager is responsible for all the engineering (technical) aspects and systems, equipment and software covered by the contract. This position is the Company’s Design Authority (DA) for the design and modification of the Combat System, Shore Facilities, Internal External Communications System and any other systems covered by the project such that it meets the performance and engineering requirements and standards set by the Design Acceptance Authority.

The role will involve review and approval, via an Engineering Commitment of all engineering estimates and schedules throughout the program. Design Authority for the Combat System, Shore Facilities and any other Systems covered by the Submarine project.

Follow this link for full details.

Career guidance
Job flexibility
Free training

“Manpower’s capability in managing and delivering large-scale and complex recruitment services is necessary to attract the calibre of military recruits that we are looking for,” said the Director General of Defence Force Recruiting. “The breadth, nature and complexity of this recruitment program can be considered critical to national security.”

“We take very seriously the workforce strategy challenges that our clients face, and finding the talent that an organization needs is what we do best,” said Lincoln Crawley, Managing Director, Manpower Australia & New Zealand. “We are proud of the confidence that the ADF has instilled in Manpower to manage this critical function at such a critical time.”

Providing ADF end-to-end recruitment services from marketing and promotion to on-boarding, Manpower will improve ADF’s efficiency, reducing the cost and time to fill position vacancies and enable the Defence Force to focus on achieving its primary objectives. Under the $200 million contract, Manpower will employ approximately 300 staff over the next 27 months. The transition period will begin immediately and continue until the February launch of the formal program.

“Our expertise in these and similar types of engagements that we have around the world, combined with our previous experience and relationship with ADF, make us uniquely qualified and committed to transitioning the business smoothly,” said Darryl Green, Manpower Inc. President of Asia Pacific and Middle East. “We plan to retain the current capability of the Defense Force Recruiting workforce, and ensure continuity of services for ADF recruits.”

A Sailor, Soldier, and an Airman got into an argument about which branch of the service was "The Best." The arguing became so heated the three service men failed to see an oncoming truck as they crossed the street. They were hit by the truck and killed instantly.

Soon, the three servicemen found themselves at the Pearly gates of Heaven. There, they met Saint Peter and decided that only he could be the ultimate source of truth and honesty. So, the three servicemen asked him, "Saint

Peter, which branch of the Armed Forces is the best?"

Saint Peter replied, "I can't answer that. However, I will ask God what He thinks the next time I see Him. Meanwhile, thank you for your service on Earth and welcome to Heaven."

Some time later the three servicemen see Saint Peter and remind him of the question they had asked when first entering Heaven. The three servicemen asked Saint Peter if he was able to find the answer. Suddenly, a sparkling white dove lands on Saint Peter's shoulder. In the dove's beak is a note glistening with gold dust. Saint Peter opens the note, trumpets blare, gold dust drifts into the air, harps play crescendos and Saint Peter begins to read the note aloud to the three servicemen

MEMORANDUM FROM THE DESK OF THE ALMIGHTY ONE

TO: All Former Sailors, Soldiers, and Airmen
SUBJECT: Which Military Service Is the Best

1. All branches of the Armed Forces are honourable and noble.
2. Each serves their country well and with distinction.
3. Serving in the military represents a great honour warranting special respect, tribute, and dedication from your fellow man.
4. Always be proud of that.

Warm regards,

GOD, RAN (Retired)

Niggs, time to pack our bags!!!

Sunday, 14^th March 2010

I am finally bandage free, the blisters on my arm suddenly decided to go away and almost overnight they started to heal. Skin peeling everywhere but the change is great. I can now go back to the specialist to see what he says and plan the way ahead for the future.

Today we had some sunshine so I took advantage of it and spent most of the day clearing fallen palm fronds and branches and mowing the lawn, or at least that part of the lawn that could hold the weight of me and the ride on. Some of it is like a mud pool and I am not sure if it will survive.

John 'Tid' Currie had an appointment with his Oncologist this week to hear results of the Scan taken last Tuesday. He writes "Not very good I must report, the spots that were barely showing on my lungs in the last scan have now grown and multiplied very aggressively, largest being 2cm. (The picture on the film looked like a connect the dots puzzle). There is also indications of cancer in the glands even though the original tumor has shrunk. I start a new Chemo with more aggressive drugs and much worse side effects in two weeks time, one hour every 3 weeks and then a scan at the end of nine weeks. This I think is shit or bust, in answer to my questions the Doc said that we are talking in months rather than years at this time. We shall just have to see how this new stuff does its job. Anne and I still all Gung Ho for SUBCON, see you all there." This news is not good and my prayers and thoughts go out to Anne and Tid, I know how devastating the news would have been for them both. Send Tid an email and say g'day.

Only a brief entry this week, been away and I am trying to catch up with a few things. See you next week.

SAA NEWS

Subscriptions for 2010 are now due and you should have received notification by snail mail or email over the last month or so. If you are one of the lucky ones could you please pay as soon as possible. If you are not sure, contact the Treasurer (John Rana). Payment details are:

Annual subscription: $10, 5 year subscription: $40 or 25 year subscription: $175

Treasurer, SAA
5 Mirror Cove
Waikiki WA 6169

Details for Payment by EFT:
Bank: Aust Defence Credit Union
Account: 705414 BSB: 802 397
If you are a ADCU member put in S6 after the account number.

BOOK NOW FOR SUBCON 2010

National Secretary

NOTICE OF AGM

Members are advised that the Annual General Meeting of the Submarine Association Australia will be held in Coffs Harbour on Sunday 13th June 2010 at 1000.

Notices of Motion and Nomination of Office Bearers are to be with the National Secretary by 1st April 2010.

The following are upcoming Association events, full details of future SAA Events are available in the Events Page.

Date and Time State Event Remarks

14th March 1200 WA Social - BBQ Join us for Lunch in the Park. Contact Paul Meakin for details.

21^st March - 1100 NSW General Meeting & BBQ Spectacle Island - new date 23 May

21^st March - 1200 VIC Annual General Meeting
Venue: ESU. Committee meet 11am. Items for Business to Secretary 14 days prior. Contact Keith Hatfield for details.

AROUND THE TRAPS

Keith 'Boot' Hatfield is a council worker so I was not surprised to get these ramblings that he obviously wrote in Council time! "Geeeeeeeeeeez, Bung, you always had a go at me about "whingeing Poms" - I could've told you what Queensland would bring to you. All that "bull**it about beautiful one day . . . etc etc" Come down to sunny Melbourne. A mild 26 degrees and sunny, tomorrow, a mild 25 degrees and - - - sunny . . . ahhhhhhhhhhhhh Melbourne, beautiful one day, perfect the next. And we can always use a good secretary - no whinges about keeping up-to-date lists of members, I promise."

He followed up with comments on Rod Baker's comment "I had to ask the second Motor Room watch keeper when he went forward to do a ‘dip’ to turn the ‘Grott’ members over to reduce the risk of bed sores." saying; "You'll notice Rod mentions "when the second motor room watchkeeper . . . .. " that's probably because we never taught him how to take a dip or where the battery hatches actually were. It remains probably one of Rod's laments that he never actually found a battery hatch to complete his Part III, and enable him to take a dip. My sincere apologies to all of Rod's watch-keeping oppos for this mis-sight. I'm sure if Rod sought the assistance of "Paddy" or "Jumper" they will update him on the whereabouts of the battery hatches." I have advised Boot that Rod will seek him out and 'straighten' him out.

Dave Gladman sent me a brief e-mail to say g'day, and to let us know that some idiots never learn. He wrote "You'd think after nearly 40 years in the RAN as a PNF and Reservist officer you'd know when to quit! Guess I must be slow because I have just accepted a contract for 13 months CFTS at the Joint Warfare Doctrine and Training Centre (the old ADFWC) at RAAF Williamtown, lecturing in Maritime Operations.

"Truth be told there is a method in the madness - re-jigging the DFRDB pension post GOPS is really a no-brainer if you paid off from the PNF before the new pay rates came into effect. I reckon there are a few people in the same boat out there, and it's worth while looking into. As an example my salary for pension purpose at the end of the CFTS period will be 60% higher than when I paid off in 2004."

"Sorry I won't be able to catch up at SUBCON - even full-time pay doesn't quite cut it when a family of 6 needs two motel rooms any time we go away, and when the missus is working setting up her own business in order to allow me to EVENTUALLY retire full-time lol. Take care and keep out of trouble (for a change)." I understand that life in the Hunter Valley area has improved his taste in wine, better let the wardroom know that they need to boost their cellar!! At least Willytown is not too far from home.

New SAA Member Lindsay Irwin has had a varied career and must be the only RAN submariner to rise through the ranks to become a Captain. His submarine career started in 1977 when he joined HMAS Orion on it's arrival at Faslane but he missed the trip to Germany, he was AWOL at the time.

Lindsay is now a cattleman and retired to their property at Emmaville with wife Jacqueline in January this year

Then LCDR, Lindsay Irwin, shown here receiving as commendation from the Maritime Commander as CO of RANTEWSS in July 2002, was awarded the OAM "For service to the development of electronic systems in the Royal Australian Navy" on the 10th June 1985.

Terry Cain, where are you? V Baker from the USofA asks "Looking for Terry Cain that I met in Hawaii 1975 while he was serving aboard the Otway." Terry, send me your new email address and I will put you in touch.

A Coxswain and his wife were sitting watching a TV program about psychology that was explaining the phenomenon of mixed emotions. The Coxswain turned to his wife and said, ‘That's a bunch of crap. I bet you can’t tell me anything that will make me both happy and sad at the same time.’ She answered: ‘Out of all your friends, you have the biggest penis’.

Queensland Branch members Peter Adams and Dale Ainsworth have accepted roles on the Committee of their local (Kenilworth) RSL Branch. Peter is now Vice President and Dale the Public Relations Officer. I wish them and their RSL Branch all the best for the future. With ANZAC Day looming they should be kept busy.

The politically incorrect Mike Bennett is to blame for any Irish joke that I promulgate this week. He wrote "As St Patrick's day approaches, perhaps the following will be even more appropriate! It reminds me of the medical book they issued to diesel boat coxswains."

The Irish have a low stress rate because they do not take medical terminology seriously. You are going to die anyway, so live life. Extracts from an Irish Medical Dictionary.

Artery............................ The study of paintings
Bacteria......................... Back door to cafeteria
Barium........................... What doctors do when patients die
Benign............................ What you be, after you be eight
Caesarean Section......... A neighbourhood in Rome
Catscan........................ Searching for Kitty
Cauterize....................... Made eye contact with her
Colic.............................. A sheep dog
Coma............................. A punctuation mark
Dilate............................. To live long
Enema........................... Not a friend
Fester............................ Quicker than someone else
Fibula............................ A small lie
Impotent........................ Distinguished, well known
Labour Pain................... Getting hurt at work

Medical Staff.................. A Doctor's cane
Morbid............................ A higher offer
Nitrates.......................... Cheaper than day rates
Node.............................. I knew it
Outpatient...................... A person who has fainted
Pelvis............................. Second cousin to Elvis
Post Operative............... A letter carrier
Recovery Room............. Place to do upholstery
Rectum.......................... Nearly killed him
Secretion....................... Hiding something
Seizure.......................... Roman emperor
Tablet............................ A small table
Terminal Illness............. Getting sick at the airport
Tumor........................... One plus one more
Urine............................. Opposite of you're out

Fire Alert - 12V Car Charger Incidents
I have heard recently of two incidents where cars were extensively damaged after owners left a charger/docking station plugged into the car outlet that overheated and started a fire. It may be prudent to unplug anything you have in your car outlets once you turn off your car!

Peter Smith asks all of you older submariners to pick your brains... He wrote "I found the following lyrics of a so called popular Royal Navy submariner's song and I must admit I have never heard it before, have any readers of the website ever heard of it and what was the tune it was sung to ?"

"For I don't give a damn wherever you've been,
Nobody washes in a Submarine.
The Navy think we've a crabby clan,
We haven't had a wash since the trip began.
We've been at sea three weeks or more,
And now we're covered in shit galore,
Our feet are black where they once were pink,
Three blokes already have died of the stink.
We hid them in the fore-end where they couldn't be seen
For to throw them in the sea meant they might have got clean.

Peter then asked "I have found an original, probably a one off ashtray. The map of Australia has the names of the capital cities and ports around Australia. Along the casing is the words Australia and South Pacific, on the ballast tanks is the date 1947, but the date was changed to 1948. I have research the date and have found the following 'A' class submarines were assigned to 4th Submarine Flotilla in Sydney; they were HMS/ms Amphion, Astute, Auriga and Aurochs. They arrived in the later half of 1946. HMS/m Affray, after break downs, arrived on 7 April 1948 and returned to England in October 1948. Does any Royal Navy submariner recognise this ashtray and can confirm my suspicions that this was made by a submariner in Affray." Please email Peter if you can help with either of these queries.

A fact of life: After Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday even the calendar says W...T...F.........

Paddy the Irish Polto went into the confessional and said to his priest, "I almost had an affair with another woman."
The priest said, "What do you mean, almost?"
Paddy said, "Well, we got undressed and rubbed together, but then I stopped."
The priest said, "Rubbing together is the same as putting it in. You're not to see that woman again. For your penance, say five Hail Mary's and put $50 in the poor box ."
Paddy left the confessional, said his prayers, and then walked over to the poor box. He paused for a moment and then started to leave.
The priest, who was watching, quickly ran over to him saying, "I saw that, You didn't put any money in the poor box!"
Paddy replied, "Yeah, but I rubbed the $50 on the box, and according to you, that's the same as putting it in!"

HEALTH AND WELFARE MATTERS
Something else for all ex-Defence personnel to be concerned about, as reported by the Defence Force Welfare Association:

RELEASE OF SERVICE RECORDS BY THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES (3 Mar 10)
The Association is following up its serious concern over the current practice of the National Archives making available to the general public the service records of members and former members of the Australian Defence Force (ADF) during the "open access period" as defined in the Archives Act 1983.

The Association understands that the current practice is that any member of the public, upon payment of the prescribed fee, can obtain a copy of the entire service record of any ADF member or ex-member where that record is in the open access period.

A recent case brought to our attention revealed that not only were the details of the ex-member's service history (such as dates of enlistment and discharge, promotions, service postings and duties performed in such postings) supplied, but also personal details such as confidential performance reports and medical history records.

This was done without any reference to the ex-serviceman concerned and we believe the release of such personal information to be a gross invasion of the ex-serviceman's privacy.

Our further understanding is that while the National Archives, under the "open access period" rule, must make available to the public all such personal and private records, it will not reveal the identity of the person who has made application for access to such records, nor does it appear that it has any control over the purpose for which those records will be used. It would seem there is a clear imbalance of privacy interests in operation here ?

In the Association's view some parts of a serviceman's record should not be open to unrestricted public scrutiny. We submit that confidential performance reports and medical records are of a private and personal nature, and others such as disciplinary records and course training reports and results could also be similarly regarded.

The Association is following up on this matter at the highest levels and will provide an update when further information is available to us."

Governance of Australian Government Superannuation Schemes Bill 2010
Submissions on the Governance of Australian Government Superannuation Schemes Bill 2010, the ComSuper Bill 2010 and the Superannuation Legislation (Consequential Amendments and Transitional Provisions) Bill 2010 are available at the senate website.

Submissions received by the Committee and available online include;

1 The Returned and Services League of Australia (PDF 1079KB) Attachment 1(PDF 127KB)
2 Vietnam Veterans' Association of Australia, Redcliffe Sub-Branch Inc (PDF 39KB)
3 Vietnam Logistical Support Veteran's Association (PDF 106KB)
4 Superannuated Commonwealth Officers' Association (Federal Council) Inc. (PDF 92KB)
5 Military Superannuation and Benefits Board of Trustees (PDF 71KB)
6 Australian Veterans and Defence Services Council Incorporated (PDF 26KB)
7 ComSuper (DFRDB) (PDF 121KB)
8 The Australian Council of Trade Unions (PDF 36KB)
9 Department of Defence and the Department of Finance and Deregulation (PDF 689KB)
10 Korea Veterans Association of Australia Inc (PDF 7KB)
11 Community and Public Sector Union (PDF 28KB)
12 Australian Institute of Superannuation Trustees (PDF 525KB)
13 Royal Australian Air Force Association (PDF 1105KB)
14 The Australian Government Employees Superannuation Trust (AGEST) (PDF 36KB)
15 Australian Reward Investment Alliance (ARIA) (PDF 1846KB)
16 Vietnam Veterans Federation (PDF 106KB)
17 Jimboomba RSL Sub-Branch (PDF 34KB)
18 Defence Force Welfare Association (PDF 227KB)
19 Integrated Servicepeople's Association of Australia Inc (PDF 29KB)

Brett Hinton (ex CPOETS3SM) has been advised by Alan Griffin (MP) the Minister for Veterans’ Affairs, that the Government expects to complete and announce its response to the outstanding recommendations of the Clarke review by around mid May.

Niggs, tuckertime!!!

Sunday, 7^th March 2010

I read a few of my past editions of the Log and I think the Pom (on my grandmother's side) started to come out in me. I promise to stop!

But before I do, I must comment on Bloody Queensland!!!! I am starting to wonder why I ever came here, the people are weird (too much sun or the brain has got waterlogged, not sure which) the weather miserable and the snakes dangerous. I have almost forgotten when I last saw the sun for more than an hour, the house is wet inside - not sure if it is humidity or rain seeping through the walls, and the snakes are on the move.

The tranquil little stream and creek across from me is now the size of a sea and you could go white water rafting down it ....... Even the snakes are pissed off and have moved to higher (MY) ground to avoid getting drowned. They have found shelter under my house and one tried to take up residence on the verandah, but the dogs scared it off. I open the garage door very carefully, we had a python in there a while back and I am expecting it back as that is where the chook has taken up residence. Country living, who wants it?

The rain is also pissing of the dogs, Niggs and Sheela are like two bored children that are cooped up inside. The house looks like a disaster zone, pillows and cushions have become their favourite toys and the constant games of tug of war. Like the average parent I let them go, at least while they are shredding pillowcases they are not bugging me for a walk.

No more whinges, got it off my chest.

Neighbours in the country can be smarter than you think, even Queenslanders. Every time the man next door heads toward my house, I know he is coming to borrow something. The other day I saw him approaching and as I was in a bad mood I said to myself "He won't get away with it this time." The neighbour arrived and asked "Er, I wonder if you'd be using your power-saw this morning". "Gee, I'm awfully sorry," I replied with a smug look, "but the fact of the matter is, I'll be using it all day." "In that case," said the neighbor, "you won't be using your golf clubs, mind if I borrow them?" How can you say no?

My how things can change in a short time. This time last year I considered myself to be 'house proud' with nothing out of place (like it should be). This morning I went to my bedside drawer and realised that my bedroom had changed since I have become a sick bay jockey. The drawer that was the repository of all my private nighttime reading was full of pills and medical apparatus. Sadly I realised that the bedroom was now like the Coxswains grot on a boat, full of smelly things and medical supplies.

Another thing that has changed is that my favourite shopping expedition is no longer to Bunnings. It is now to Terry White's Chemist. I no longer walk the aisles with my mouth watering at the sight of boy's toys, the lure of non stick surgical dressings and non prescription pain killers has become irresistible. Who said getting old wasn't exciting!

Anyway, life's getting better and the effects of the treatment are becoming less of a problem (although blisters are still appearing) so I am off for a couple of days holiday away from this place, if I stay here much longer the mould will penetrate my bones. Till next week..............

CONGRATULATIONS

CMDR Dave Strangward (shown here during his overseas attachment) was handed the title of 'Senior Survivor' by CAPTSM, CAPT Brett Sampson. It was handed down from WO Ralph Jeffree on his transfer from the PN.

SAA NEWS

The AGM of the Association is approaching and as you can see it is time for nominations for the National Executive. I am a strong believer in limited tenure, sometimes a new team can invigorate an organisation and breathe new life into it. I have been asked to accept re-nomination for secretary, but at this time I am not sure if I am in a position to accept. Ill health this year has resulted in a less than performance and I have not been able to meet all of my agreed commitments on time.

I ask all of you to consider nominating for National Office, if you don't get your nomination in on time and there are no other nominations, nominations from the floor can be accepted at the AGM. There are many of you out here with a lot to offer, please consider your options.

BOOK NOW FOR SUBCON 2010

National Secretary

NOTICE OF AGM

ETERNAL PATROL
Roy Weston, founder of the Roy Weston real estate group in WA, passed away on Thursday at the age of 89 after suffering a stroke. Roy volunteered for submarine service in the early years of World War II. As a French speaker, he was appointed to the Free French submarine Junon, part of the international 9th submarine flotilla at Dundee, Scotland.

He later served on the RN submarine Spiteful and sketched portions of the Norwegian coastline that could be useful for future landings.

Mr Weston fell in love with WA after serving here with Spiteful, which carried out patrols in the Sth China Sea and Indian Ocean from its base in Fremantle.

He moved to Perth in December 1946 and worked for a friend who owned a real estate business in Kalamunda - the start of a 33 year career in real estate.

AROUND THE TRAPS

David Bryant, President SAASA, reports; "I attended Brian (Smudge) Smith’s funeral Service this morning. I spoke on behalf of the Submarines Association, and read out the comments made on the website by his former shipmates, penned by Don Currell and Tony Vine, along with a few anecdotes I gleaned from Smudge’s and my time in Orion.

There was a terrific turnout from former Submariner shipmates, including Tim Shannon, Barry Wilson. Fred Butcher, “Dinger” Bell, Bill Hollas, John Bishop, Joe Pataki, Roy Collins, “China” Seaton, John Simounds and Ken Grierson. There were also a number of Smudges’ old Prison Warder mates in attendance from the time he worked in the SA Correctional Service Organisation.

The President of the Port Adelaide Naval Association, Harley Doyle, read the ‘Ode to the Fallen’.

My thanks to all who attended or send emails of condolences – They were much appreciated by the family. Smudges’ medals were presented on his behalf by me to his Grandson, Alex."

Dave 'Dutch' Holland has told me that Accor Hotels have a 50% sale from 1st April to Aug 10 . "I just booked the Pacific Blue Resort Novotel for approx $85 per night – great deal for a quality resort." With a beachfront location at Charlesworth Bay, just 3km north of Coffs Harbour, the Resort is framed by ocean, mountains, natural forest and banana plantations.

Rod Baker, commenting on an item I wrote last week, responded "Are my eyes deceiving me? Sleep almost impossible for a Chief Stoker! I remember being asked to peel the mattress from the back of many a Chief Stoker (and Chief Tiff, Cox’n and CSAW). I had to ask the second Motor Room watch keeper when he went forward to do a ‘dip’ to turn the ‘Grott’ members over to reduce the risk of bed sores. The fluro tubes in the ‘Grott’ used to last almost 2 commissions because they were never used. (I could go on and on but it is cruel to attack the defenseless)."

Dave Luck is still residing in the UK and writes "Just a quick update, weather is getting warmer over here, birds are singing, sun is shining, (really), and cold beer is served in all the pubs !!!!!! Had my pre op scan last week, so I should get a date for the arterial bypasses shortly. They have to be done separately which means limited mobility for about three months, no lawn mowing or gardening, damn !!!!!! After that it is about another six weeks before I can go on a long haul flight so my plans to be at Coffs for Subcon have been torpedoed. After the arteries have been sorted I am due for my colon scan, (overdue actually), but hopefully it will be clear again. Twelve years now, so not too many worries. I have joined the Great Britain branch of the International Submariners Association, but missed out on the get together last week because of medical commitments. They have meetings every three months in different parts of the country, so I should be able to make one this year. Will let you know what it is like. Anyway mate, my best to all the brotherhood, and I'll keep in touch."

It was good to hear from Peter 'Stan' Nimmo after a long period of ultra quiet state. "I'm still in the USA, Zeny and I have been living in Colorado for a year already and I must say it seems like we arrived just yesterday. We recently spent 2 weeks in Florida visiting friends and generally escaping a very cold mountain winter. We also took a cruise from Miami to the Bahama's, visiting Nassau and the Grand Bahama Island on the 77,000 ton Norwegian Sky. So, as you can see, we have plenty to do in our spare time." I still ask the question, what does one do to get this type of posting??? Best I could do was Navy Office.

Paul Meakin, Secretary of the WA Branch reports that "On Saturday night at the Rockingham Naval Club at Point Peron, seven members of the SAA and a number of family and friends along with other members of the NAA, RNA and the HMS Ganges Association attended a performance by Shep Woolley. For those that do not know Shep he is a retired RN Chief GI, (ex Ganges boy) who despite his stern visage whilst serving was a well known character in the Navy, entertaining sailors and civilians alike. His show was a blast from the past reminding us all of Pubs and Dance Halls in the Old Dart visited whilst on our submarine courses or port visits in times gone past. He is a raconteur, singer, songwriter and comedian and held us all enthralled with his versatility. At least he had the sense to take the Mickey out of Yorkshire- men, their accents and meanness before taking the rise out of the ostralian accent. It was a thoroughly entertaining evening to be recommended should he appear in your part of the country and we thank the HMS Ganges Association for organising this show."

Ian Taber sent the following comments on Coffs and previous visits, not necessarily by Submarines. "I first went to Coffs on HMAS Barcoo in 1960, we were not welcome ashore. I remember "Telemachus" surfacing along side us and I said to the EO, I want to join Submarines. The reply was "you will have to wait". We were doing a survey from Port Macquarie to Coffs Harbour, using the 'new' Lambda system for ocean surveying. Lt Cdr HW Dillon (Marshall Matt) was the CO, Lt Cdr Ken Barnett was the Jim and Lt BH Walsh (Brian The Lion) was the EO. Peter Lawrence Chief Tiffy and Len Fletcher the CM(E). Another that joined submarines from Barcoo (Later) was RD (Jock) Wilson. After I was posted to Cerberus, instructing in the Engineering School, Cdr Berry-Smith (CO of the School) was helpful in assisting me to join submarines. I probably like quite a few others did not like "Cerberus" (It was in Victoria) !!!!! Submariners have always been welcome in Coffs and will be more so in June at SUBCON. Looking forward to the warries!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

The Submarine Institute of Australia were the sponsors of the WA book launch of BENEATH THE DARDANELLES, written by husband and wife authors Vecihi (John) and Hatice Basarin, a Turkish born couple, now living in Australia. Due to a delivery problem only a few books were available for purchase , but those in attendance who bought a copy had them signed by the authors.

About 50 people were in attendance including Doctor Yesertener, the Turkish Consul to WA, senior representatives from the Museum of Western Australia and others who had been involved with the expedition to film the AE2 in the Sea of Marmara. Captain Brett Sampson, Captain SM was in attendance and from the SAA, Commodore Bob Trotter OAM ,RAN Rtd, Commodore Mike Deeks RAN Rtd and his wife Jenny, Peter Horobin, Sid Czabotar, Bruce Crane, Darren Thompson , Lloyd Blake and myself.

The Maritime Museum generously provided the venue for the launch and attendees enjoyed light refreshments prior to the launch.

After an introduction firstly by Lloyd Blake and then Peter Horobin , both John and Hatice spoke eloquently and fondly of the relationship which exists between the Turkish and Australian people. The enthusiasm with which they had employed in researching and writing the book was very apparent, A sea battle from another perspective, but one which deals very fairly with the protagonists involved. I read this book shortly after reading STOKER'S SUBMARINE and I heartily concur with the closing paragraph of the foreword to BENEATH THE DARDANELLES, written by Rear Admiral Peter Briggs, AO, CSC, RAN rtd where the honourable conduct of the victorious Turkish Captain is remembered.

I happily recommend this book to all our members. (Fred Lawrence, President SAAWA) Book available from the Slops Van

Two Forendies were looking at a mail order catalogue and admiring the models. One says to the other, 'Have you seen the beautiful girls in this catalogue?' The second one replies, 'Yes, they are very beautiful. And look at the price!'

The first one says, with wide eyes, 'Wow, they aren't very expensive. At this price, I'm buying one.' The second one smiles and pats him on the back. 'Good idea! Order one and if she's as beautiful as she is in the catalogue, I will get one too.'

Three weeks later, the youngest Forendy asks his friend, 'Did you ever receive the girl you ordered from the catalogue?'

The second Forendy replies...... 'No, but it shouldn't be long now. She sent all her clothes yesterday?

Jock Wilson recalls "Peter Clark's story about Otama's bell reminded me of another 'bell' incident that happened in the early days of the Squadron at Platypus. Each morning at 0755, a motley group, comprising the Officer of the Day, Duty Chief, Duty PO and a Duty AB, would muster on the edge of the wharf at Trot 1 and face towards the Ship's Crest and the Main Mast, to pipe the Still. A rating in No 1 uniform would be by the Ship's Bell and an RO (a Radio Operator AB ) on the roof of the building with the ensign over his arm ready to Hoist.

The routine was always the same, except on one particular morning. During the night someone had removed the Ship's Bell and at about 0750 a bleary eyed OOD on Oxley awoke to find the Platypus bell on his Wardroom table.

At the appointed hour the RO on the roof calls down to the OOD on the wharf,
"Eight o' clock Sir."
"Very good, make it so."
The rating of the colour party on the wharf pipes the Still, the RO commences to raise the ensign, but no sound of the Eight Bells.
"Make it so" roared the Duty Chief and shot a withering glance at the rating standing by the Ship's Crest. The rating sort of shrugged his shoulders and gestured towards the vacant space where the bell should be.
"Make it bloody so " called the Duty Chief again.
The rating came smartly to attention and said " Ding - ding, ding - ding, ding - ding, ding - ding".
"Very good. Pipe 'Carry On' "

And so another day in Platypus began...."

VALE - Nora Skelton
It is with a sad heart that we report the death of Victoria Branch's long time friend, Nora Skelton. Nora passed away quietly, reported by her son, and will be very sadly missed by all at the Victorian branch. Norma - and Jim - were very active members of the Association and Secretary, Keith Hatfield said "We shared many a laugh with them, will be sadly missed. The President, Secretary, committee and members of the Submarine Association Australia Victoria Branch send their condolences.

Royalty has visited the Whitsundays according to Phil Solomon who reports "Just out for a little day cruise when what should pop over the horizon .... The Queen Mary 2. A cloudy, rainy day in the Whitsundays for the visit of the Queen Mary 2 but we still managed to get out there and have an up close look see.

Photo 1: The famous quote by Captain Ron (Kurt Russell), "She'll get outa my way, I learnt that driving the Saratoga".
Also I knew that power has to give way to sail. The Captain of QM2 should know that as well I would hope.

Photo 2: Length 1,132 ft, Tonnage 151,400 gross tonnes .... Standby Mark 48 Attack .... Bearing Green 80, Range 800 Yards, Speed 0, it don't get any better than this!!!

Airlie Beach was Her only port in Queensland on this world trip and she is truly awesome to see up close." Note, I cropped the photo to limit the amount of that hideous shirt that was on display!!! Maybe I should have removed the head too?

Can't keep a good man down.... Peter 'Arab' Clarke writes "Your article in the Log about the officers on a camping trip brought back a favourite memory when I went to collect my son, circa 8 years old, from a Cub Camp in Kalamunda. The kids had copped an absolute flogging during the night when a storm came through and tested their skills. There were tents up trees, sleeping bags strewn in the bush and leaders doing everything to console there cubs. My son had a small camp fire going cooking his breakfast and tent in immaculate condition. When questioned about his ability to survive Cyclone Tracey 2, he replied 'Dad I heard there was a storm coming, so I pinched a pile of pegs from all the other tents and nailed mine to the ground'. Don't ever let his Leader know this". Thats my boy!

Received an email from Russian regular, Nikolay A. Teplyakov but unfortunately my Russian is not the best. It contained some photos taken in Italy and Switzerland, obviously spending the kid's inheritance..........

A Chief Stoker was returning from a run ashore when he was approached by the OOD. A quick check of the Chief's bag soon revealed two bottles. “What's in the bottles, Chief?” asked the OOD. "It's holy water", came the response.
The officer opened one of the bottles. Sniffing it he said, "It smells like wine." "Hallelujah!" the Chief shouted, "He's done it again!"

VETERAN'S AFFAIRS

INFORMATION REQUIRED
In recent times the RSL National Officer have been working quietly on submissions to Government concerning Military Superannuation (DFRB, DBFRDB or MSBS). On Friday 26 Feb 10 RSL released the submissions which are available from the National website. I am seeking information from RSL members who have been disadvantaged by the current Superannuation Indexation methods CPI. In particular any war widows or ex-service members who has evidence and facts that they have been disadvantaged by the current CPI indexation method for Military Superannuation. I am seeking evidence on individual cases only. If you know of a widow or ex-service member who may fit this category and is prepared to provide their evidence to RSL National Office please advise me ASAP.

Viv Quinn
Veterans Affairs Advisor
RSL (Queensland Branch)

MILSUPER WEBSITE
A website has been developed that aims to ignite a debate on likely MILSUPER changes and to encourage military members to take a closer look at an issue that is over the horizon to most before it becomes too late. The webmaster says "It has never been more mission critical to join DFWA and volunteer your time and effort with the indexation debate. The dividend you will receive from the measly few bucks of membership is priceless and you can bask in the warm glow of a job well done." Visit this website and be aware of the potential danger that lies ahead for YOUR income!

Pension Rates, Limits and Allowances Summary
A Factsheet with the latest list of payments is now available. This Factsheet provides the current rates and limits for:
      • service pension;
      • age pension;
      • income support supplement;
      • disability pension;
      • war widow’s and widower’s pension; and
      • all associated allowances under the Veterans’ Entitlements Act 1986 (VEA).

DEFENCE NEWS

Military takes one step toward fairness, holds back on other front
The U.S. military has taken a step forward on one issue while coming to parade rest on another. The Navy recently announced plans to let women serve on submarines, but top military leaders have called for more time and study before permitting gays to serve openly in their ranks.

The change in submarine policy is a positive step. Women have been serving on surface ships since 1993. Letting them into the ranks of the century-old, elite submarine force is good for the Navy and the country. This opens a new pool of potential talent, gives women another opportunity to advance and demonstrates U.S. commitment to freedom and fairness.

This change has been pushed by Adm. Michael G. Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who told a Senate committee last month it is time to repeal the "don't ask, don't tell'' law regarding gays in the military. Even former Vice President Dick Cheney recently sounded open to the prospect. "It's partly a generational question," he said, adding "things have changed significantly" since "don't ask, don't tell'' took effect.

But the Brass Quartet that came before Congress recently were more hesitant, supporting more study and warning that a hasty repeal could make it harder on the military while it is fighting two wars. Gen. James T. Conway, commandant of the Marine Corps, went further, saying the current system works and should not be changed.

Certainly, defense must be paramount. But there is evidence that this change will not be disruptive and need not be the subject of lengthy delay. The New York Times reported that a study by the Palm Center, a think tank focused on sexual minorities in the military, looked at the experiences of Britain, Canada, Australia, South Africa and other nations. The center found that most made the transition within a matter of months with little trouble.

With the nation at war, those leading the troops may be understandably wary of introducing an unpredictable social change in battlefield conditions. If they need a little time to assess the implications of the change, to consider the experience of other militaries, in order to put their minds at ease and get fully behind the change, that is worthwhile. The tone is set from the top. But there are already gays in the military and probably always have been. Acknowledging them and moving on would demonstrate to the world the U.S. commitment to freedom and fairness.

Despite outcry, sub venture worth a try
So many sub sailors might be right. Allowing women to serve on submarines might prove to be the worst military decision in history. But America has the right to know, and women deserve to right to try. That was the entire point of last week's column.

By an unofficial poll of the comments from last week's column, so many readers contended that, because I was never on a submarine, I am not qualified to address the advent of women serving on them. Further, for the same reason, I should not even have an opinion on the matter.

Apparently, from the sub base to the Pentagon, to the White House, only people who have served on submarines should be allowed to partake of the discussion. By that logic, only people who have served in public office should be allowed to vote.

Most of the people who, in varying degrees of politeness, told me to mind my own business, made it clear that they did in fact serve on submarines, or perhaps continue to do so. For those who did, or do, I thank you, seriously and sincerely.

The fact is, however, you, just like me, have never served on a submarine with women. So while you might have more information with which to arrive at an opinion, we are equally ignorant as to the effect of the nuance. Somebody even warned me that my credibility was at stake because I was uninformed about weapons systems and platforms and yada yada yada.

I only wanted to say that women should have the right to serve on submarines. They should also have the right to operate heavy equipment, dig graves and vacuum septic systems.

Here's the thing. This column is a discussion. It is intended to provoke thought and stimulate communication. Based on the comments and my e-mails and telephone messages, too many sailors do not want to do that.

It almost seemed as if a lot of sailors are afraid that through discussion someone might see the logic and fairness of the concept and allow to happen what many sailors dread: They'll have to take down the nudies from the walls, curtail their lascivious discussions and close the door and put down the cover.

Yeah, well, that could happen.

On the other hand, short of unwanted sexual advances and contact, women might learn to cope with some of the macho conduct. Some of them might even enjoy the pinups, or have some of their own choosing ready for hanging. Who knows, they might even decide to exchange profanities rather than complain of them.

And you know what else, fellows? It all might fail. Perhaps the sexual attraction would prove too much. Pregnancy is not a good thing when you're tucked in a watery hideout for six months. I get that. Indeed the privilege of trying co-ed subs might expose overwhelming evidence of its impracticality. It might fail miserably.

And what if it does work? Heck. What if it so happens that because women, on the average, are smaller than men, it is discovered that we could build smaller, yet more spacious, or more functional vessels? What if we learn that female bodies or brains have tolerances and capabilities that we never knew, which could serve the mission in ways we never expected?

Unfortunately, though, the comments leaned toward a tone of arrogance, if not anger, that anyone should dare suggest that men and women could possibly coexist in such close quarters.

Might it cost a lot to find out it was a bad choice? It might. But what's a fair price for freedom and knowledge?

This is the opinion of Chuck Potter on a US Blog. For more opinions follow this link.

Norway postpones plan to raise German submarine wreck
The Norwegian cabinet Friday decided to commission new studies about the risks of raising the wreck of a World War II German submarine that sank with a hazardous cargo off western Norway. "We want to conduct more thorough studies to ensure that this is conducted in a manner that is both secure as well as safe for the environment," Fisheries Minister Lisbeth Berg-Hansen said.

A year ago the government announced it had opted to raise the 87- metre-long submarine rather than encase it. That decision was hailed by environmental groups and inhabitants in the small fishing community of Fedje.

Norway has investigated various options of raising or encasing the wreck because its cargo of 65 tons of mercury posed a potential threat to the marine environment. The government's decision to launch a new appraisal surprised some environmental groups, and opposition lawmakers said they would call for parliamentary hearings.

The wreck of the U-864 was found in 2003 at a dept of 150 metres near the island of Fedje, just north of the city of Bergen.

The wreck is considered a war grave. All 73 onboard died when a British submarine torpedoed the U-864 in February 1945 as it was heading from Germany to Japan with war material, including liquid mercury stored in steel containers.

HMS Triumph attack submarine sails marking end of an era - Last T-class refit draws to a close
Nuclear powered attack submarine (SSN) HMS Triumph sailed from Devonport Royal Dockyard today (Thursday 4 March) following a successful Long Overhaul Period (Refuel) [LOP(R)] by Babcock – the last Trafalgar class submarine refit and refuel to be undertaken.

The extensive four year, 2.75 million manhour refit has included some significant capability improvements, as well as reactor refuelling, refurbishment work on all submarine systems, and addressing considerable emergent repair work.

Capability improvements have included installation of the latest sonar 2076 bow, flank and towed array systems, and upgrade for Tomahawk land attack cruise missile systems. A new command and control system has been installed, as well as a new internal fibre optic computer systems network and enhanced satellite communications system. An additional ballast pump has been installed to aid rapid deballasting, and a number of safety improvements incorporated to fire fighting and escape capabilities. Major equipments have been upgraded to support both efficiency and obsolescence management programmes, such as the chilled water plants.

The LOP(R), which saw some 30,000 work instructions raised and issued, and over 75,000 items of equipment overhauled, has included a number of challenges that were successfully met. Among these was the need for new inspection equipment to be designed, manufactured and commissioned to carry out surveys on the reactor systems. This required close working between Babcock, the MoD design authority and Rolls Royce to minimise programme impact. Additionally, repairs were successfully carried out by Babcock to both torpedo tube air ram cylinders which were far more extensive than anticipated before being surveyed at the start of the LOP(R). Further challenges included equipment obsolescence issues, often requiring fault diagnosis and resolution without original manufacturer’s drawings.

Commenting on the LOP(R), Babcock submarine operations director, Devonport, Gavin Leckie, said: “The quality of HMS Triumph as she leaves for sea trials, and timely completion of this extensive refit, is testament to the skill, dedication, and close teamwork by all involved. The significant safety and capability improvements undertaken during this substantial overhaul programme have fully equipped the submarine for her next commission.”

Superintendent Submarines, Captain Mike Robinson, said: “Despite this being the last Trafalgar Class submarine LOP(R) the project has had to overcome some significant emergent technical challenges and this has required close co-operation between the MoD and Babcock. The output of much hard work is an extremely capable submarine ready for her next commission.”

HMS Triumph will now undergo a three month sea trials programme before returning to the Fleet for operational duties.

Captain defends BAE Systems Barrow sub Astute 'faults' claim
The CO of Barrow’s newest nuclear submarine has defended his boat against claims it had ‘serious faults’ during sea trials and had worried the crew. The £1.2bn submarine Astute left Barrow for Faslane naval base near Glasgow, Scotland, last November for sea trials. It returned back to its Scottish base after nearly two weeks of trials.

But an article in the Scottish Daily Record at the weekend reported the sea trials had been “plagued by serious faults.” One navy insider told the Scottish paper: “There have been problems with Astute. Every time engineers think they have solved one problem, another crops up. This has to be sorted out quickly.”

The paper said another Navy source told it: “The crew are worried about the problems. “They must be fixed without cutting corners.”

However, Astute’s captain, Commander Andy Coles, has hit back at the claims. He said: “I am proud of what my crew have achieved as part of Astute’s successful sea trials. ”The initial trials to date have shown the clear potential of this fantastic new platform.

“There has been no major emergency on Astute and there is absolutely no truth in the allegation that there is discontent among my crew.

“The crew and I are full of confidence in Astute and we remain committed to delivering this highly capable submarine in to service with the Royal Navy.”

Naval chiefs have still not taken over formal control of the 7,400 tonne vessel, which is owned by BAE, until trials are substantially achieved and accepted as successful. Only then will BAE get the final cash payment for its work.

The Royal Navy said in statement: “Astute is currently undergoing an extensive period of sea trials ahead of her acceptance into service. “Astute is first of class and incorporates cutting edge technology, we would therefore expect these sea trials to identify areas in which further work or development could be required.

“The crew remain highly dedicated and focused on achieving a successful outcome from this period of trials.” Technicians including commissioning engineers from BAE were aboard for the sea trials.

China’s Jin-class SSBN photographed when it visited Xiaopingdao Naval Base
One of China’s two new Jin-class SSBNs was photographed with two of its 12 missile tubes open when it visited Xiaopingdao Naval Base in March 2009.

The Jins are being readied to carry the JL-2, a single-warhead regional sea-launched ballistic missile that was most recently test-launched in May 2008. The class may become operational soon and replace the old Xia from 1982. Xiaopingdao Naval Base, which is where I identified the Jin-class for the first time in 2007, serves as an outfitting and testing facility for new submarines and used to be the homeport of the single Golf-class diesel submarine China used for many years as a test launch platform for its first ballistic missile.

Two or three Jin-class SSBN have been under construction, and it remains to be seen if China will build up to five as projected by U.S. intelligence. China’s nuclear submarines appear to be the noisiest nuclear submarines in the world and will probably be highly vulnerable at sea.

The U.S. Office of Naval Intelligence described in August 2009 that two of China’s SSBNs (probably one Jin and the Xia) were based at the Northern Fleet Base in Jianggezhuang, and the third boat (probably the second Jin) at the Southern Fleet Base on Hainan Island. I identified the Jin at Hainan in February 2008.

The Obama administration’s first version of The Military Power of the People’s Republic of China is expected within the next month or two.
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