HEALTH MATTERS

Dunt review into suicide in the ex-service community
The Rudd Government has been delivered the independent Dunt review into suicide in the ex-service community. “The Government is committed to improving the mental health of current and ex-service men and women during and after their service careers,” Mr Griffin said.

The study examines broad issues of suicide in the ex-service community and a number of specific cases in the last three years. It also helps to identify the extent of suicide in the ex-service community, some common contributing factors, veterans who may be at risk and what administrative changes can be made to help combat the problem.

In preparing the report, Professor Dunt and his team held extensive consultations with ex-service organisations, the Department of Veterans’ Affairs (DVA) and members of the Australian Defence Force.

“A Governance Board was also formed to support the work of Professor Dunt. The Board included senior members from Defence and DVA and representatives of the ex-service community,” Mr Griffin said.

“This is a lengthy report with detailed recommendations on quite complex matters, so it will take time to develop the Government’s response. “Importantly, it will guide us in further refining our programs to better help those current and former service personnel who are at risk.”

There are already several mental health programs available to current and former serving members and their families. These include access to the VVCS - Veterans and Veterans Families Counselling Service and the At Ease initiative which provides a suite of health promotional materials to raise awareness of the importance of veterans’ mental health. Further information on these services can be found at www.dva.gov.au or by calling 133 254.

PTSD and Depression

And still the stories continue.  This one has been changed to protect the identity of the writer, just another case of a life changed as a result of this problem.

Each time I read of blokes with PTSD and depression, I get the shivers- up- me- spine. I first went looking for help in 1983 with a list that hasn’t changed in all these years; just got worse as I got older. Back then I was told they (Adelaide Repat Hospital) couldn’t get my medical records, as the documents were still classified with HMAS Onlsow’s 1981 incident. They then tried to use the freedom of information act, and was told the Secrecies Act superseded the FOI act. They then told me that, as I had been discharged medically fit, I must therefore be fit, so no help given.

I ran a business from 1984 till 2007, during which time the medical problems got worse and worse. Each doctor I would go to would send me round a loop with the ’I don’t know what to do with him’ syndrome. After several major setbacks, including large loss of blood requiring a blood transfusion, and a C6/C7 neck fusion relating to ‘stress related causes’!!!! I eventually was diagnosed with depression by a specialist GP. About that time I also bumped into a DVA rep who asked about my condition. He suggested I had ‘used the wrong words’ on my first claim. He resubmitted the claim using the ‘correct words’, and following an interview with a DVA doctor, received a 50% disability white card for PTSD (symptoms on both claims are still the same, just the heading that changed). I still carried on my business, with increasing health problems. Every time I asked what I could use my White card for, I was told to hand over my Medicare card instead. When the Doctors would ask DVA what I could use the card for, they would come back with a one word reply, PTSD, to which the doctors (many) would say ‘what’s that’?! When I rang DVA to clarify what help was available for PTSD I would be sent a travel claim form!!!! Frustration with the system’ grew to rage, and I eventually gave up even relating to the white card and PTSD to anyone, and began to live inside a ‘world of my own’ so to speak.

In 2006 I ran into a couple of ex ‘Perth’ blokes, who were Pensions Officers in Adelaide at one of the RSL‘s. We got onto health issues, and while discussing the health profession, and their general ignorance of PTSD and similar problems, got onto my own problems. They asked to look at my history, and after a very short period, had me on a 70% disability. They, and the doctors had, about that time, also suggested I should be selling the business, as my health by then was crap....Once I had done so in June of 2007, I was almost immediately put up to 100% TPI. Seems that, while I owned a business, I was not eligible for a Gold Card. Didn’t matter what state the business was in. Hindsight is a marvelous thing.........

Since getting the Gold card, I have had heaps of help, particularly from VVCS, and have now been able to locate Doctors that are in the know, and can help my conditions. Something I was unable to do all these years, as the general GP and specialists did not seem to know who to send me to. Indeed, my local GP had, for years, suggested my problems were just me, until he watched me try and install a mobile phone car kit to his vehicle. Half way through the install, he told me to stop, and asked what was wrong. He had noted numerous problems and was concerned that I was not too healthy. When we sat down to go through all my complaints, he said, ‘Boy! You are crook!, Who have you been to see?’ I then asked him, ‘who have you sent me to see?’ to which I received a totally blank look. Such is the state of our health system.....By the way, I hear this same story from others I have got to know, who have had similar health issues, so it’s not just my doctor.

To top it all off, I had a Psychologist suggest that I had more than just PTSD and depression, so he chased around for someone to do brain tests on me. A Nero-Psychologist at the Hampstead Rehabilitation Centre, Brain injury Unit (Adelaide) had a look at me recently, and was convinced I had brain damage (well I knew that already..............). The EEG came back as being abnormal, with ‘substantial evidence to support organic brain injury’ from an event such as the Onslow incident. The MRI report was more normal. However, when the Neuro-Psychiatrist was looking at the images with me, my wife, and 2 interns, he suggested that if he had a brain scan that looked like that, he would be a very worried man! He went on to show us the small groups of dots, and large areas of blacked out mass that are dead brain tissues. He then explained what no other doctor has been able to explain, regarding the unusual symptoms I have been experiencing all these years. Unlike a blunt trauma to the head, such as in a car accident, or hit over the head, which would affect one or two areas such as speech or motor skills, he suggests that my injury is speckled, with bits of random damage throughout the brain, effecting all areas of the brain. Such as eyes that focus one minute, then go out of focus (that irritates the optometrists...), loss of memory functions, random muscle cramps and spikes, random loss of feeling in random parts of the body, inability to concentrate heavily without going into convulsions/nausea; and the list goes on and on....

While society has more knowledge and more access to PTSD related problems , and other similar complaints, it has taken me now, nearly 28 years to get answers to problems that were first noted after the Onslow incident, and that have been with me ever since. I can honestly say, that the last 18 months have been a great eye opener; very traumatic and emotional for me and my family particularly; and a time of huge release from the pressures and frustrations building up all these years.

Now that I am ‘in the system’, it is much easier to access help. Being on a pension, particularly the Gold Card TPI, without having the day to day pressures of work, is an enormous help. I cannot encourage enough, the help received from the Pension and Welfare officers. I wish I had maintained a contact with the various ex navy organisations years ago, where I might have found out about these guys earlier. Something I have learnt from a VVCS course recently, is that, I can’t help anyone yet, until I have been helped myself. This seems to be very true. Most important, is to get help. Once that is in place, we may be able to help others once we are on the road to improvement. It also seems to be a long road, as things don’t just change overnight. A ‘steady as she goes’ approach is the only way.

I must admit, that talking about this to anyone, including old mates, is still quite a trauma in itself, with feelings of guilt and perhaps weakness to handle the problems. Locals who see me walking the town, suggest I look healthy enough. As I don’t have a missing leg, or arm, or an eye patch, I must therefore be healthy. When I raised this point with my Psychologist, he suggested a reply of ‘and where did you get your medical degree from?’ As the alternative to continuing down the path of ignoring the problems will eventually lead to something more drastic as to be looking at the box being lowered into the ground.

I have been very fortunate here to have a community that is small and close, so many who know me, and may have witnessed my strange ways have been very understanding (well they would probably do that to any submariner........). but I do sympathise with all those that have such problems, and hope all the talk will get those who have not had help, to get out of the cupboard and start looking.

Ricky Roberts had his interview with the Veterans Review Board on the 17th December 2008 re his claim to have Lumbar Spondylosis recognised as service related and after all the documentation, letters of support were received and the face to face questioning with his advocate (an ex army man) and I, they accepted his claim and referred it back to the Repatriation Commission for assessment of the disability pension.

Rick said its been a long haul and he thanks those that supplied letters of support and your advice for surely with out the submarine network he would not have been successful. Any questions or support he can give please do not hesitate to contact him.

Voluntary work and the VEA, SRCA and MRCA
A number of people have expressed concerns about how the Department of Veterans' Affairs (DVA) treats voluntary work with community and welfare organisations under the Veterans' Entitlements Act 1986 (VEA),  the Safety, Rehabilitation and Compensation Act 1988 (SRCA) and the  Military, Rehabilitation and Compensation Act 2004 (MRCA).

There appears to be a belief that voluntary work is treated  differently under SRCA and MRCA than it is under the VEA. Some people  are concerned that undertaking voluntary work will trigger a review of  incapacity payments. This is not the case.

To clarify the issue and reassure veterans wanting to do voluntar work, the Repatriation Commissioner, Brigadier Bill Rolfe AO (Retd),  has written to a number of ex-service organisations and the Training  and Information Program Committee Chairs to state:

* DVA is supportive of veterans undertaking voluntary work;

* Voluntary work is treated the same under all three Acts; and

* Undertaking voluntary work will not trigger a review of pension or incapacity payments.

A copy of Brigadier Rolfe's letter and policy statement is attached in the weblinks below. I would urge any veteran or veterans' representative to refer to this statement should they have any issues with the way such matters are being interpreted.
 

Alan Griffin
Minister for Veterans' Affairs
 
www.dva.gov.au/temp/Letter_to_ESOsFeb.pdf
www.dva.gov.au/temp/VW_statement_attached_to_ESO_letter.pdf

I love this Doctor
Q: Doctor, I've heard that cardiovascular exercise can prolong life; is this true?
A: Your heart is only good for so many beats, and that's it... don't waste them on exercise. Everything wears out eventually. Speeding up your heart will not make you live longer; that's like saying you can extend the life of your car by driving it faster. Want to live longer? Take a nap.
Q: Should I cut down on meat and eat more fruits and vegetables?
A: You must grasp logistical efficiencies. What does a cow eat? Hay and corn. And what are these? Vegetables. So a steak is nothing more than an efficient mechanism of delivering vegetables to your system. Need grain? Eat chicken. Beef is also a good source of field grass (green leafy vegetable). And a pork chop can give you 100% of your recommended daily allowance of vegetable products.
Q: Should I reduce my alcohol intake?
A: No, not at all. Wine is made from fruit. Brandy is distilled wine, that means they take the water out of the fruity bit so you get even more of the goodness that way. Beer is also made out of grain. Bottoms up!
Q: What are some of the advantages of participating in a regular exercise program?
A: Can't think of a single one, sorry. My philosophy is: No Pain...Good!
Q: Aren't fried foods bad for you?
A: YOU'RE NOT LISTENING!!! .... Foods are fried these days in vegetable oil. In fact, they're permeated in it. How could getting more vegetables be bad for you?
Q: Will sit-ups help prevent me from getting a little soft around the middle?
A: Definitely not! When you exercise a muscle, it gets bigger. You should only be doing sit-ups if you want a bigger stomach.
Q: Is chocolate bad for me?
A: Are you crazy? HELLO Cocoa beans! Another vegetable!!! It's the best! feel-good food around!
Q: Is swimming good for your figure?
A: If swimming is good for your figure, explain whales to me.
Q: Is getting in-shape important for my lifestyle?
A: Hey! ! 'Round' is a shape!

Well, I hope this has cleared up any misconceptions you may have had about food and diets.
And remember:

'Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - Chardonnay in one hand - chocolate in the other - body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO, What a Ride'

AND.....

For those of you who watch what you eat, here's the final word on nutrition and health. It's a relief to know the truth after all those conflicting nutritional studies.
1. The Japanese eat very little fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.
2. The Mexicans eat a lot of fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.
3. The Chinese drink very little red wine and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.
4. The Italians drink a lot of red wine and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.
5. The Germans drink a lot of beers and eat lots of sausages and fats and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.

CONCLUSION

Eat and drink what you like.  Speaking English is apparently what kills you.

Interesting Web Site

Your fortnightly online copy of Navy News is now available. If you are looking for submarine articles don't bother, none again as usual.

Awesome Camera ! This is a photo from the 2009 Inauguration, In which you can see IN FOCUS The face of each individual in the crowd !!! You can scan, double click and zoom to any section of the crowd... wait a few seconds... and the focus adjusts. The picture was taken with a robotic camera at 1,474 megapixel. (295 times the standard 5 megapixel camera) Makes you wonder who's watching us right now !!!!!!!!

The graph opposite shows the percentage of visitors to The Log by country. I have followed the trend for several years and Japan has always been a regular on the list.

A beautiful woman went to see a gynaecologist. The doctor took one look at the stunning woman and all his professionalism went out of the window.  He told her to get undressed.
After she disrobed the doctor began to stroke her thigh. While doing so he asked her,  "Do you know what I am doing?"
"Yes," she replied, "You are checking for abrasions or dermatological abnormalities."
"That's right," said the doctor. He then began to fondle her Breasts.  "Do you know what I am doing now?" he asked.
"Yes," she said, "You are checking for lumps which might indicate Breast cancer."
"Correct," replied the shady doctor. Finally, he mounted his patient and started having sexual intercourse with her. He asked,  "Do you know what I am doing now?"
"Yes," she said, "You're getting herpes: which is why I came here in the first place."

DEFENCE NEWS

Submarine Crew Fought to Save Trapped Sailors Under Arctic Ice
A submarine crew fought to rescue two trapped colleagues for 40 minutes after an explosion deep beneath the Arctic ice, an inquest was told yesterday.

Despite the crew's efforts, Anthony Huntrod, 20, an operator mechanic from Sunderland, and Paul McCann, 32, a leading mechanic operator from Halesowen, West Midlands, died before they could be reached. They were working on board HMS Tireless, a nuclear submarine, while it was on a training exercise 200 miles north of Alaska in March 2007.

An inquest opened yesterday at the Regus Centre, Sunderland. Derek Winter, the coroner, explained how a self-contained oxygen generator (Scog) exploded when the two men were towards the forward escape compartment.  Mr Winter said: "This was a traumatic and terrifying event for all aboard the submarine."

Scogs are needed to maintain the air supply at shallow depths when the water temperature freezes the submarine's oxygen production system. The ship was carrying 730 Scogs in total, a greater number than normally required because of the length of the exercise beneath the Arctic ice.

Scogs are activated by dropping a chemical briquette into a container, causing oxygen to be released. When Mr Huntrod and Mr McCann started the process, the Scog exploded, the inquest was told. The compartment filled with smoke and the blast caused the hatch doors to close and buckle, trapping the victims.

A colleague, Richard Hallworth,was also working in the area. Immediately after the blast he gave first aid and tried to open the doors, the coroner said.

The submarine surfaced through a patch of thin ice and the bodies were taken to a nearby ice station. Postmortem examinations showed that Mr Huntrod died from multiple injuries and that Mr McCann died from carbon monoxide poisoning.

Tests conducted by Nasa had shown that Scogs were dangerous if not stored carefully and kept in perfect condition, the inquest was told.  The devices were introduced throughout the British submarine flotilla in 2001. A series of incidents followed on board boats in which they ignited or exploded. None resulted in injury or posed a serious risk to those involved, the coroner said.

Then, in November 2006, 996 Scogs were taken from a hazardous waste store and put back into service. In February 2007, 550 Scogs were issued to HMS Tireless. "It appears that 550 may have been on a jetty for some time before embarkation," Mr Winter said. "It will be for us to see whether this 550 was from the 996 taken from the hazardous waste store in 2006."

A submariner described the shockwave that went through the boat after the explosion. Able Seaman Barry Taylor had been helping Mr McCann and Mr Huntrod to take Scogs from a store minutes before the blast.

He told the inquest: "There was a loud explosion, and the boat was filled with smoke straight away. There was a shockwave which pushed me into the toilet."  Later he was sent into the damaged compartment to clean up. "It was quite dark, there was black soot everywhere, fragments of metal on the deck and all over the surfaces," he said. "There was a lot of blood on the floor."

The inquest, which is being heard without a jury, is expected to go on for six weeks.

source: http://ije.gourl.org

Come on Boof, let's nap.............

The plumber arrived on Friday and I now have a new septic system. I was not prepared for the carnage, my back and front yards now look like a quarry and most of my lawn has gone to God.  I spent all day yesterday cleaning up and raking the area in preparation for new lawn to be laid.  But at least there will be no more blowing slop drain and sewage!!! 

This morning I started on the bathroom and this will keep me occupied for a week (or six) so only a short Log this week. 

A few are asking when their entry for Buddies will be online.  Be patient, I am very busy and will try for early this week.

Roy and Maria cross dropped in on Friday, they had just spent a couple of days with Graeme Porzucek in Hervey Bay.  They are visiting their son in Brisvegas who is about too become a dad.  Another cross to bear. Maria commented on how, as we age, we tend to end up seeing more of the medical establishment and for some reason Roy's local GP referred him to a female urologist.  Maria said he saw her last week and she was gorgeous, beautiful and unbelievably sexy.  Maria said Roy was upset when the doctor told him that he had to stop masturbating.  When Maria asked why, the doctor replied, .........."Because I was trying to examine him."

Angar Singh and I also had a long chat on the phone, hobbled down memory lane and a lot of names and good times surfaced.  He has just moved to Yamba on the north coat of NSW.

National
Have continued to update the Membership database and have been sending pout for information from Members to help fill a few holes in our new database.  If you have not heard from me yet, you will, as I have about 800 more to do.  I am only after basic information such as DOB, partner's name, rank on discharge etc. 

What has been more pleasing has been the number of applications and requests for applications that we are receiving.  A few secretaries have joined me in beating the drums to get the message out and it is working. It is important that we can gather as many submariners together as possible in an attempt to rejuvenate our Membership so that the Associations goals and objectives are met - to have a good time and look after our mates!

Many ex Members lapsed over the years for many reasons.  For a lot it was the fact that they moved and the Association was not informed, resulting in their renewals not being received.  To assist those that are no longer Members but would like to be I have gained approval to renew Memberships without you having to pay the $20 application fee again.  To take advantage of this offer just send me an email for details.

The majority of Branches are in 'Meeting Mode' and with SUBCON and the AGM not far away have been looking at submissions and nominations to be voted on at the AGM in Fremantle.  If your Branch meeting is coming up make sure you try and get there to have your vote counted.

Acting National Secretary

Northern Queensland Branch
Due to the prolonged wet season and severe flooding across North Queensland, the meeting scheduled for the 13-15 February in Cairns has been cancelled.

The next meeting will still be held in Cairns at a date to be advised, when the situation becomes a little clearer weather wise. Perhaps the Cairns members would still like to meet at the RSL and enjoy the social atmosphere and commaradie that our organisation fosters.

If the Cairns members still want to have dinner together, let Garth know ASAP and he will advise the RSL that the booking stands for the numbers required...........please.

Western Australian Branch

Sid Czabotar reports that the SUBCON 2009 bookings have started to come in and it looks like it will be a fun weekend from 5th to 8th June.

A full update and indicative costs are now available at the SUBCON 2009 website.

Victoria Branch
The 21st Annual General Meeting will be held on the15th February starting at 1200. the venue is ESU/Naval Association House, 146W Toorak Road, South Yarra.

Any Notices of Motion and Nominations for Office Bearers are to be with the Secretary by Sunday 8th February. Notices received after this date cannot be heard at the Annual General Meeting. Contact John (Boot) Hatfield 0408 051 085 for details.

Nick Farrow the Producer of the Sunday Night programme on 7 is looking into the life of HMAS Onslow. and is  trying to contact its skipper LCDR JAC Miers RAN who was on exchange at the time and who may now be in the UK now. Can you help in any way? If so please contact me.

Ex Leeuwin JR Eric and Nita Jones have been travelling and report "Nooriootpa is a wonderful little place. Anyone doing the tourist run when crossing the Nullarbor should make an effort to stop there. There used to be a Petrol Station there that provided the best service we had on the whole trip to the West. I'm not sure if it's still there, but you never know. Great little town and fantastic people."

Little did I know that Frederick 'Gary' Bax wanted to keep his first name a secret.  He wrote "Don't know if I should talking to you, did ask for the info to be kept in house. What did you do? Put it in the paper. Thanks MATE!!!!!!!  Remember, your never even 'till you'r one up. A Scorpio never forgets so watch your back mate!!! See you in Coffs next year.Yours in bowls and fishing, Garry."  Trust ME!!!

Daryl Kearvell has two Ovens Port crocks for sale. His preference would be to exchange them for similar port (s) of Otway if anyone has any spare. He doesn't know what they're worth and happy to take suggestions from anyone wanting them.

* Black crock: HMAS OVENS DECOMMISSIONING PORT 1968 - 1995
* Port bottle: HMAS OVENS SENIOR RATES MESS 4th COMMISSION 1989

Glen Protheroe said "I generally don't jump on too many 'bandwagons' but I have known Tex O'Grady for over 20 years. He and his dog Bundy travel EVERYWHERE together on his bike. Both of them conduct charity work all over the country. The stupid NSW government has changed the laws without any consultation of the Motorcycle community and now his dog Bundy can no longer ride together or continue charity work!!!! NONE repeat NONE of the committee members at the RTA who changed the rules actually ride. When questioned as to why, they could not supply an answer !!!!!! Its just useless red tape at its best. Please take the time to sign the petition at www.gopetition.com.au. Thanks to all who take this action!"

Brett Hinton reports that snake number 10 for the season (a 4 1/2" black) bites the dust). He said "She was in the shed. How do I know it was a she? Well I had a go at it last night but due to lack of light could not get it. A bloke would have disappeared overnight, not this one. She must be blonde also. I felt sorry for it for a microsecond."   Not only is he going to upset the greenies the lady

 libbers may also strike at Brett!!!

Brett went on to recall his early days as a submariner. "Whilst at HMS Dolphin the Australian junior rates had to undertake watches and cleaning duties. (Australia was the only foreign country doing training there that allowed this).  One day Irish Irvine and I were cleaning Venetian blinds in the rain in our overcoats (Burberries). We took the Venetians outside, laid them on the ground and washed them with a soft broom and soapie water.

The Executive Officer (Commander) walks by and Irish says "I hope we are getting a refund Sir". (Irish was an Able Seamen with a brogue Irish accent having been born in Ireland and then emigrated to Australia). The XO somewhat taken aback says "I beg your pardon?". Irish repeats the question.  The XO is about to tear strips off him but then says "Where are you from?"

Irish pulls his coat down to reveal the Australian flashes on his shoulder and says " Our Government is paying thousands of dollars for you to train us to be submariners and I don't think there are any Venetian blinds on a boat so are we getting a refund?". The commander has apoplexy and storms off."

Pat and Rod Peters will be traveling between February 9th and March 17th and he requests mail only be sent to his Hotmail address.

Eddie Brent has surfaced, after sailing around the world on his yacht, he is now living in California with lot's of stories in between!  Eddie was (I think) the youngest member of Oven's commissioning crew in '69.

Wine rack empty after the holidays?  For this week's specials go to GetWineDirect and save enough to buy heaps more, you can never have enough wine.  Please visit the website and when you place your order be sure to include the CLUB ID number to go onto your order so the SAA can claim the 5% of sales. SAA ID Number is 3558 or for WA Members  the ID Number is 9375.  This week's specials include:

• Coonawarra Cab Sav Cleanskin. Don't Pay $45.95 Our Price $9.95.

• Award winning Chain of Ponds under $10 a bottle.

• New Zealand Central Otago Pinot Noir. Don't Pay $50.00 Our Price $16.95.

• Chilean Sauv Blanc - Buy a case, get a case free, equals $5 a bottle

• Barossa Shiraz Cleanskin - cancelled US order, under half price at $10 a bottle.

Russell Crowe flew to Baghdad to watch a young Iraqi play rugby league and was suitably impressed and arranges for him to come to Australia to join South Sydney. Two weeks later Rabbits are down 10 nil to Easts with only 10 minutes left. The coach gives the young Iraqi the nod and he goes in. The kid is a sensation - scores 3 tries in 10 minutes and wins the game for South Sydney! The fans are thrilled, the players and coaches are delighted, and the media are in love with the new star.

When the player comes off the ground he phones his mum to tell her about his first day of Australian Rugby League. 'Hello mum, guess what?' he says. 'I played for 10 minutes today, we were 10 Nil down, but I scored 3 tries and we won. Everybody loves me, the fans, the Media...

'Wonderful,' says his mum, 'Let me tell you about my day. Your father got shot in the street and robbed, your sister and I were ambushed, raped and beaten, and your brother has joined a gang of looters, and all this while you were having such great time.'  The young Iraqi is very upset. 'What can I say mum, I'm so sorry.'   'Sorry? You're sorry?' says his mum, 'It's your fault we moved to Redfern in the first place!'

Dan Jordan said this may be of interest to members for the ‘Log‘ and maybe not general ‘boat‘ knowledge.

Use of Jolly Roger by submarine service
A Jolly Roger flag, but defaced by a number of varying symbols dependent upon the type of action and used unofficially by the submarine service of the British Royal Navy to signify that the boat flying it had engaged an enemy.

It should be further noted that a torpedo attack which resulted in an enemy vessel being sunk was symbolized by a bar or torpedo, with the number of successful attacks matched by the number of symbols. A successful gun engagement was shown by a pair of cross cannons and an enemy plane downed by the silhouette of an aircraft, with each occurrence being represented by a star. Assistance in a clandestine operation (the landing of agents or commandos) was marked by the display of a dagger, with any further such operations calling for either stars or more daggers. 

Christopher Southworth, 22 February  said "I've come across a fuller list of these defacements, that I copied down from the displays at the RN Submarine Museum at Gosport a few years ago:

• red bar: enemy surface vessel sunk

• red bar with a U superimposed: enemy submarine sunk

• white bar: enemy merchant vessel sunk

• yellow bar: Japanese merchant vessel sunk

• crossed guns and a star: enemy vessel sunk by gunfire

• a chevron: small enemy vessel sunk by gunfire

• a chamber pot or a Chinese junk: very small enemy vessel sunk by gunfire

• a lighthouse and torch: participation in an amphibious operation (the torch on its own is often used for participation of Operation 'Torch', the landings in North Africa in 1942)

• a lifebelt: air-sea rescue operation

• a dagger, sword or 'The Saint' stick figure (from the novels of Leslie Charteris): landing agents or commandos ('cloak and dagger' operations in the slang of the time)

• a 'jeep' (character in Popeye cartoons): chariot recovery (a 'chariot' was a one- or two-man submersible, used for raids on the shipping in enemy harbours)

• a railway engine: train or track destroyed

• a demolition charge: ship sunk (the difference between this and the bars above for sunken vessels was not made clear)

• diver's helmet: going below safe diving depth

• an aircraft: enemy aircraft shot down

• a red flower: minefield reconnaissance

The flags themselves were always unofficial, which accounts for the different symbols for the same kind of operation, or the symbols which were used only by one boat, like the tin opener (or the stork and baby flag flown on one occasion by HM S/M United after a mission of mercy).

HEALTH MATTERS

My push to get more people to understand the seriousness of stress related illness and to accept the fact that they should seek help if they have the symptoms has really stirred the can.  On the up side I received the following from Fred Fisher.  He said "Mate, I cannot express in words what I feel for all the people that sent me emails through Mal and I think she answered every one personally, if she overlooked anybody, I apologise. I am a bit pissed off that I only got kisses from you and Checkers! No seriously Norm, it is a great uplift when your partner brings in e-mails from friends and knowing that they are out there thinking of you.

I spent eleven weeks up there this time and hopefully I will not have to spend that amount of time again. St. John of God’s at North Richmond is more of a country club than a hospital where you are so well looked after and all your needs are catered for. You also make some good mates up there. Out of the blue, “Shorty” Carroll’s son Vince the clearance diver turned up and he gave me an Ovens baseball cap and two sets of Dolphins, one large and one small that he sent for, that brought a lump to my throat, so we are not all roughie toughie submariners, although we think we are. I also bumped into another of our submariners, which I will not name in case he does not want it publicised at this time. That was another emotional meeting.

All I can say Norm is to echo you and tell the blokes to look up the symptoms of PTSD and take a good look at themselves and don’t be like me for many years thinking it is a stigma; there is help out there, please get it. Thanks again Norm for keeping us all together and be able to help each other if we are near or e-mail if we are not."

I also received this email  "I too suffer from PTSD, which (I believe) resulted from an incident in '85. This has been recognised by DVA and I have a Gold Card. I understand how PTSD and depression affects all of us, (several suicide attempts have shown me this). If any members are having problems they should get a good advocate and hit up the Government for what they deserve for "protecting" our country by serving on Boats." This came from a regular contact but it was signed with another name, this confused me and on asking the question received the following response. "Regarding the PTSD and name change issue. I changed my name due to depression, I was trying to hide from myself. just one of those things PTSD and depression make you do.

Another email read "I went to see my doctor in January last year about sleep problems which I have had since about '93 and have been getting worse. He sent me to a psychologist who produced a report. I then sent that to DVA who sent me to a psychiatrist for an assessment, end result was 100 percent PTSD, increased pension and counseling etc which I have just started. Not sure what the results will be but a sleep without getting up twice a night and really stuffed up dreams would be good. Anyway no names, no court-martials but you can add another number to your list of people who have been diagnosed with it."  

I have also had several others and some phone calls, there is a problem and it needs your attention.  If you, or someone you know,  have any symptoms of stress or anxiety do something, it may save a life.

Review of Mental Health Care in the ADF and Transition through Discharge report
The Minister for Defence Science and Personnel, the Hon. Warren Snowdon MP, and the Minister for Veterans’ Affairs, the Hon. Alan Griffin MP, today welcomed Professor David Dunt’s independent Review of Mental Health Care in the ADF and Transition through Discharge report.

“The Government is committed to providing the very best mental health support to Australian Defence Force (ADF) members and those transitioning to the ex-service community,” Mr Snowdon said. “While Defence has well-established mental health programs and services, the Government was concerned that access to, and delivery of, this support has been patchy, with some extra challenges facing those transitioning out of the ADF.”

“Professor Dunt’s report is timely as the ADF’s operational tempo over the last few years has placed a significant demand on mental health program delivery, and the services required to support younger veterans,” Mr Griffin said.  “That is why Professor David Dunt was commissioned to conduct an independent review of the effectiveness of ADF mental health care and the support that’s available from military service through to the Department of Veterans’ Affairs.”

Mr Griffin and Mr Snowdon received an extensive briefing from Professor Dunt on the key findings and recommendations of his report. “Professor Dunt’s review has highlighted successes and gaps in the delivery of mental health and transition services. It makes recommendations to improve the delivery of those services,” Mr Griffin said.

After considering the report and its recommendations, the Government will meet with key stakeholders and publicly release the report.

Defence Asbestos Exposure Scheme (DAES)
At the last ACT Committee Meeting they discussed some information passed from Peter Hugonnet re the Defence Asbestos Exposure Scheme (DAES). It was agreed that this scheme was not widely disseminated within the Submarine Community (also noting in a lot of cases our time on Surface Ships and the resultant exposure). Michael Carew requested that the DAES details be included in the Welfare Section of the website and this I will do.

The Defence Asbestos Exposure Scheme can be contacted through the Defence Cooma call centre 1800 000 677 or 1800 000 655. The caller will be given a registration number and contacted for testing.

Health Services Australia conduct the tests on behalf of Defence but it is important to register so it can be tracked. Post examination there is a timeframe given to the member for follow up tests as required (if nil detected issues maybe 2-3 years plus). It is also a great help if you have a list of the postings and possible exposure prior to registering and subsequent examination as there is an extensive questionnaire to be filled out with the places of exposure noted and employment details.

Michael also requested to have his name noted on the list of Welfare Officers for the ACT/Southern NSW as he completed the Welfare Officer Course on the 19 Nov 2008. He added "Geoff Burns will be completing his course shortly as well so that will hopefully build the numbers up."

Deeming Rate to be lowered
Many veterans with investment income will benefit from a lower income test deeming rate to apply from 27 January 2009, the Minister for Veterans’ Affairs, Alan Griffin, said today.  The reduction in the rate reflects the ongoing reductions in interest rates and the impact of the global financial crisis on investments.  “Around 40,000 DVA pensioners will benefit when the deeming rate is reduced from five to four per cent for financial investments over $41,000 for a single pensioner and $68,200 for a couple,” Mr Griffin said.

The deeming rate for the first $41,000 of a single pensioner’s financial investments ($68,200 for a couple) will remain unchanged at three per cent – this rate was lowered in November 2008. The higher deeming rate will be four per cent for the balance of financial investments over these amounts. These changes are effective from 27 January 2009 and will be included in payments made from 12 February.

Department of Veterans’ Affairs service pensions, income support supplements and social security age pensions paid by DVA will be affected by this change.

Lowering the deeming rate means that those part-rate pensioners paid under the income test who have financial investments such as term deposits, shares or managed investments may receive an increase in their pension payments to reflect the reduction in their assessable income.

Income support pensioners who are already paid at the maximum rate and those with financial investments below $41,000 (if single) or $68,200 (if a member of a couple) will have no change to their pension payments. Pensions paid under the assets test will also not be affected.

“This move acknowledges that many pensioners who partially rely on own-source income have been adversely affected by the global financial crisis, leading to lower returns on financial assets,” Mr Griffin said.

DEFENCE NEWS

Sunken WW2 submarine to be raised
The Norwegian Government has decided that the wreck of the WW2 German submarine U-864 which contains 65 tons of mercury, is to be raised, and that the contaminated seabed be covered with clean sand.  The wreck, which is located off the Norwegian west coast, near Fedje, north of Bergen, has long been considered an environmental hazard by the local population and environmental groups.

However, experts have long disagreed on whether or not the wreck should be raised or if it would be better to build a sarcophagus which would isolate the mercury from the marine environment, thereby eliminating the pollution hazard. The head of the Marine Safety Directorate, Magne Roedland, disagrees. In his opinion the wreck should be raised.  He believes that the strong currents around the wreck will undermine the sarcophagus, and result in emissions of mercury. The local population agree, and have said the wreck must be removed.

On Thursday Fisheries and Coastal Minister Helga Pedersen announced that she had decided that the wreck be raised. "I have given highest consideration to the insecurity felt by the local population, as well as the concern by the fisheries industry over possible contamination of the waters, if the wreck would just be entombed, Pedersen said."

Indian Submarine, Chinese Ship in Standoff Near Somalia
An Indian submarine and two Chinese warships on an anti-piracy mission were recently locked in a tense standoff in the waters off Somalia, Chinese media reports said Wednesday. The Indian Navy said none of its submarines were in the area. In a rare reporting of the incident, Qingdao Chenbao, a Chinese daily, said the Indian submarine "stalked" the Chinese warships and they were "locked in a tense standoff for at least half an hour" after which the Indian submarine was forced to surface.

The submarine and the two warships were involved in several rounds of maneuvering during which both sides evidently tried to test each other's sonar systems for weaknesses. The incident occurred Jan 15 in the waters near the Bab Al-Mandab Strait.

An Indian Navy spokesperson told IANS in New Delhi that "No Indian submarine surfaced in the area".

The Chinese report, which first appeared Tuesday, had been picked up by numerous mainland Chinese websites a day later. Chinese warships have been patrolling in the waters off the Gulf of Aden, one of the world's busiest sea routes, to prevent piracy attacks. China has not officially commented on the incident, which reportedly ended when the Indian vessel left without further confrontation.

The Chinese ships had picked up sonar signals of an unidentified submarine, which the Chinese navy identified as a submarine armed with around 20 torpedoes belonging to the Indian navy, the South China Morning Post said in its report on the incident.

The submarine moved into deeper waters but was tracked by an anti-submarine helicopter, cornered and forced to surface. The submarine had been trailing the Chinese ships since they entered the Indian Ocean on its way to the Gulf of Aden, the paper said.

The waters around the Gulf of Aden have turned extremely hazardous for commercial shipping following attacks by Somalia-based pirates. India is among several countries, including the US, Britain, France, Iran, South Korea and China, that have sent warships to patrol the sea lanes in the area to prevent attacks by pirates.

The World's Shortest Fairy Tale
Once upon a time, a guy asked a girl 'Will you marry me?'  The girl said, 'NO!'
And the guy lived happily ever after and went fishing and hunting and played golf a lot and drank beer and left the toilet seat up and farted whenever he wanted.

The End.

Come on Boof and Niggs, time for a swim!!! 

One step closer to the major works being undertaken at 21 Mill st, the plumber has finally agreed on the plans drawn up by the engineer for my new septic system, only council approval and $10,000 stand in the way of having an efficient effluent system.  No more blowing slop drain and sewage!!!  Once that is done I can finish off the toilet (I'll have 2) and install the new vanities in the bathroom.  The sweet smell of progress, it has only taken 18 months.

We have had a week of showers and all my tanks are full.  Thankfully so as Niggs (the new pup) takes great delight in splashing all of the water out of the bowls, as if he was in a wading pool.  I could not work out why the dogs were going through so much water until I saw him 'digging' in the bowl.  I think he likes the 'gurgle' that the water makes coming out of the storage bottle!

Last month I posted that Trooper Mark Donaldson awarded the Victoria Cross.  What I did not know was that he is the first to be awarded the "Victoria Cross for Australia".  While Trooper Mark Donaldson VC is the 97th Australian to be honoured with the VC, he is the first Australian to be honoured with the Victoria Cross for Australia which was established as part of the Australian system of honours and awards on 15 January 1991, continuing the proud tradition of Australian access to this award since its introduction in 1856.

The barriers are falling and more of our mates are 'fessing up to their fight against PTSD.  Another contacted me this week and said "After reading about Fred Fisher, I thought I should probably "fess up" too. I was only diagnosed last year with PTSD, anxiety and depression (!!) when I dragged myself off to the Doc's to see about my gut problems. Turns out I have probably been suffering in ignorance for over a decade, just goes to show how sneaky and insidious this illness is! So after waiting a year and doing everything from Psych assessments to having a endoscope shoved in my nether regions DVA has finally accepted it as service related and will now fund my Counseling through the VVCA.  I must say it was not easy to accept but hopefully now with the counseling and more Psych therapy (hate that word, "therapy" so American!) things should pick up, at least I still have my sense of humour!!"

On a more disturbing note I received an email one morning this week that sent a shiver down my spine and I immediately rang to tell him that people care and that he should seek the solace of close friends.  He was obviously distressed and has problems that he is trying to work through.  The offer of a shoulder to cry on if needed was made and I hope that the call made some difference and showed him that we are all buddies and we DO care.  He seemed to appreciate the call, it came as a surprise.  Guys, if a mate becomes distant and out of character, talk to them and let them know there is help available.

And the winner is............... Paul 'Diesel' Dann for his caption  "After doing water shots from tubes 7 & 8 AB Bloggs could be heard to say " C'mon fellas let me in, how was I sposed to know the beer was in there!!"

Well, I gotta go.  I hope that you all had a great weekend.  And thanks again for all the cards and email offering Birthday wishes.

National
It was good to see some submariners recognised in the Australia Day honours list and a letter was sent from the President to all recipients on behalf of the Association and its Members.

A request was also sent to the Squadron (sorry SMFEG) in an attempt to tap into a source of current information and 'good news' stories from their PR team.  Navy News has not had an item for what seems to be ,months and although the Association gets some copies of The Trade the cost limits this to a handful.  The Trade was online in the Navy website till December '05 and is sorely missed.  We understand that the FEG staff are not there to act as 'reporters' and have more important things to do, but hopefully the PR staff can send us the occasional news item. 

It is time to start thinking about Agenda Items and Nominations for Office as the AGM is not far off and Branches need to discuss these as a matter of urgency.  It is hoped that 'new blood' throws their hat in the ring for positions on the national executive, competition is healthy and leads to a good outcome.  Most Branches have Meetings soon, so please raise the issue.

The following letter has been forwarded to the National Committee for consideration but if anyone out there wants to make a small personal contribution or a contribution on behalf of their Association or Company I am sure that it will be appreciated.  Contact CMDR Foster if you can help.

Finding Australia’s First Submarine Incorporated

From:         Commander John Foster OAM AFAIM RAN (Rtd)
To:             Company Secretary AE2CF

Copy to:
                  National Secretary Submarine Association of Australia

Gentlemen,

We seek financial assistance for the forthcoming expedition that will hopefully conclude the long search for HMA Submarine AE1.

As you know we have spent many years of research into this mysterious loss and there have been a number of unsuccessful search expeditions over the past seven years, most of which have been supported by personal funds. The RAN regrettably has only been able to pay lip service and offer token gestures. Successive Commonwealth Governments have in the writer’s opinion been rather recalcitrant in their support of this important quest, the successful conclusion of which will bring closure to the descendant relatives after a very long time. It is also vital to establish a war grave and to close the gap in the nation’s heritage.

Further, it is, in our opinion, very important that present day submariners see that no stone is ever left unturned in a search for any missing submarine no matter the length of time involved. Efforts of the Israeli Government in pursuing the location of the INS Dakar are a shining example of how a government should react.

We believe that the April expedition, now in its final stages of planning, has a very good chance of success. The site to be examined was reported by Mr George Tyers nearly 40 years ago but has been dismissed over the years as George’s credibility about being able to scuba dive to well over 100 metres was very much in question. Furthermore, operations of the day pointed towards the submarine returning to the anchorage HMAS Encounter was in for the bombardment of the Toma ridges.

The old cruiser had the necessary workshop support required by AE1 to effect repairs on her return from patrol.

After many years of pressing National Archives, the original Deck Logs of Encounter have now been located and they show that she actually returned to Rabaul Harbour at sunset. It is now assumed Lt Cdr Besant would have known this and shaped course to her changed location. The submarine’s passage there was likely to have passed over the Tyers position.

The writer has spoken to George Tyers at some length and despite George’s advancing years, found him very lucid and his explanation credible. The RAN at the time dismissed his report and the writer in his research accordingly viewed this as factual information and the matter was not pursued.

The expedition in April will be programmed specifically for an investigation of this site and George Tyers has volunteered to come along for guidance. After a brief sonar search, we will have several CCR divers and two open circuit divers to examine the site and to take photographs.

Naturally there is some considerable expense involved with airfares, accommodation, boat charter and the important freighting of expensive dive equipment. This amounts to nearly $40,000 dollars, including $4000 set aside for contingencies. We have raised nearly $26000 so far through personal contributions of the team members themselves and some donations from interested members of the public. The National Geographic magazine has agreed to sponsorship of $5000.

We therefore ask your respective organizations if there is some way you are able to squeeze the orange and make some contribution to help us achieve our aim.  

Yours sincerely,

John Foster

And that's it for the week!

Acting National Secretary

Northern Queensland Branch
As previously advised the next meeting of the NQSAA will be held over the weekend of the 13-15 February in Cairns. 

We will be conducting the meeting at the Cairns R.S.L. Club at approx 1300 and retiring for comradeship and dit spinning afterwards. All members and partners are most welcome as are any visitors in the area.

We have made tentative bookings for 20-30 for dinner at the RSL restaurant at 1900.  Could you please advise Garth Schmidt if attending so that numbers can be finalised.

Please could you also forward any agenda items that you may want discussed during the meeting.

Western Australian Branch
Owing to late occurring indisposition of the President suffering a viral infection and unavailability of the vice president and treasurer it was been reluctantly decided to defer the first General Meeting of 2009, scheduled for the 1st February, until Sunday 8th at the Swan Yacht Club at 1100.

Sid Czabotar reports that the SUBCON 2009 committee has resurfaced and is steaming full ahead at 350 rpm organising a fun weekend from 5th to 8th June.

The committee in our planning have been very mindful of costs to get here and also for the functions. Although we have sought sponsorship to help with costs, responses have been very slow and the current financial climate has also resulted in some companies not being able to support us as they have in the past.  We hope to finalise costs by the end of 2009. In the meantime please register with a fifty Dollar ($50) deposit.

A full update and indicative costs are now available at the SUBCON 2009 website.

Tasmanian Branch
A branch BBQ is being held at Risdon Book Dam next Sunday (7th), commencing at 11:00. An electric BBQ in the hut has been booked but please BYO everything else.  If you would like to come along please RSVP to our Social Coordinator, Mike Crellin on 0407 663 649.

NSW Branch
The next General Meeting will be held on the 8th February starting at 1130. The venue is the City of Sydney RSL 565 George Street.  Agenda items include Nominations for Executive and Agenda items for the Federal AGM.  A good turnout would be appreciated.

Victoria Branch
The 21st Annual General Meeting will be held on the15th February starting at 1200. the venue is ESU/Naval Association House, 146W Toorak Road, South Yarra.

Any Notices of Motion and Nominations for Office Bearers are to be with the Secretary by Sunday 8th February. Notices received after this date cannot be heard at the Annual General Meeting. Contact John (Boot) Hatfield 0408 051 085 for details.

Congratulations
POCTSSM Kylie Broughton and LSETSM Nathan Cole were presented with Australia Day Medallions by CDRE Davies last Friday.  Both are serving on HMAS Waller.  Congratulations from the National Committee and all of the Members of the Submarines Association Australia. It is pleasing to see the efforts that their have been recognised, far too many that put in the ‘hard yards’ often go unrewarded.

Roger Hardwicke has just returned to his bunk after surgery in St John Of God, Subiaco, having had spinal fusion and laminectomy performed. Both Roger and Denise are fine. Roger's direct line in is 9382 6624 if you want to give him a call. Roger is a bad patient, maybe Denise deserves the call?

John Goss paid Bob Bobilak a visit over Christmas/New Year and and reports that he's not looking too good. Lost a lot of weight, gray skin and runs out of steam very quickly. Beth and family (mostly Beth) are keeping the pub in Urana going until they can sell it.  He added "Before being diagnosed with Asbestosis Bob had just completed treatment for Prostate Cancer - not a run of luck I would wish on anyone." 

Kevin Errington wrote "I am visiting Sydney from the UK in the next 3 weeks on a trip to see my brother in law in Adelaide. I intend to visit the Maritime Museum in Sydney as we are stopping at the Grace for a few days. I have attached a photo of an O Boat cast model I have had made from an original in bronze I got from Dolphin.  I wondered if you guys have anything like this and if not I will bring a couple over with me for the museum and also ex-boats crew. They can get some done at a local foundry etc and possible sell them for branch or museum funds.  I have requested that he provides one and I will see if I can get them made for those that want them.

Another POM, Dave Hoyle, wrote "I am trying to find an Australian submariner, who I met here in UK, His name is Don Delosa, I have no idea what branch he was in. Age now would be in the mid sixties, we met in1966. I believe he was part of a crew flown to the UK to collect a submarine that the UK had sold to Australia. Before he joined the Navy, I believe he was a professional cyclist. It was an easy one to solve, Don is in the NT and contact has been restored.

Guess who is off my Christmas list?  Gus Gillis (shown here with some crays he stole off a kid in Fiji) sent me the following email and asked  "Is this you, I was just checking to make sure you're okay mate?"

Body Found
Today, police found an unidentified man's body in a park. They describe him as having a beer belly, saggy balls, wrinkly arse and a small dick.

Brett Hinton reports "Snake number 8 for the season summarily dispatched to snake heaven yesterday. Only a little one this time, 3 foot."   He is a brave man, I watch mine go by from a distance.............

Maurice Watherston sent me an email and said it would be lovely to hear from others that he served with.
He now lives in Seacombe Gardens in SA and he was a submariner from 1990 till 2003. He spent time on HMAS Ovens and Otama and took Onslow from refit.  If you remember him, drop him a line and say g'day.

Judge to prostitute :'So when did you realize you were raped?'
Prostitute, wiping away tears: 'When the cheque bounced.'

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Carol Wilson sent new Member Kevin O’Brien an email asking about the Alcide in 1967. He replied "I live in Norway but am quite often in England and it was a somewhat ambivalent experience a few months ago to visit the “Ocelot”, an “O” boat I sailed on in 1968. She is now a museum piece at HM Dockyard at Chatham in Kent.

As far as Alcide goes, I was doing my Part one and two at HMS Dolphin from July of 1967 and completed my Part 3 on Ocelot a year later. I served as a radio operator on “Ovens” from her commissioning in 1969 and was along for her maiden voyage to Australia.

I am afraid I only spent a few weeks on Alcide. My first boat in the First Squadron was Thermopylae. After that I spent some time on Alcide while we participated in Anti-submarine exercises with surface vessels in the Solent in the autumn of 1967. Then I spent a month or two on the Walrus before transferring to Ocelot in February 1968, joining her at Rosyth in Scotland where she had just completed a refit. My memories of Alcide are necessarily a bit vague, but I do remember that they had a photograph of the German U-boat ace Otto Kretchmer hung up in the forward mess!

I also remember that there were Australians on Alcide and Walrus but they were mostly going to “Otway” and left for Scotland probably that autumn. Another thing I remember with Alcide is that she had snorkel problems and was supposed to be going to a dockyard to be repaired. The “A” boats were often called “the last of the gracious living boats” because they had a bit more space in the messes than the “O”s

Living ashore at “Dolphin” was OK, considering that we slept in dormitories designed and built during the Napoleonic wars. The only bad memories I have are the appalling British food and having to salute Pommy officers all the time. I “forgot” quite often and ended up “under punishment” a few times. If you have any specific questions just send me a mail and I will try to answer them. They may jog my memory."   Kevin commissioned Ovens with us, but cupid had shot his arrow and he soon moved to Norway and a new life.

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Lloyd Blake said this embarrassing photo of HMS Alliance grounded off the isle of Wight appeared in News Papers all over UK in November 1967. Lloyd completed his Partt III in Alliance and served in her until commissioning Otway. In a race with several other boats from Gibraltar back to Dolphin we ran aground on Bembridge Ledge.

Brett Hinton sent some "funny" moments from the good boat Orion. He wrote "During patrol, a couple of the stokers got bored so they decided to draw the life cycle of one of their own on the donk shop desk. It went:

   Day 1 - the nose appears
   Day 2 - little arms and legs appear
   Day 3 - the head appears
   Day 4 - the body appears

Regardless to say that the victim of this cruel joke, who was well endowed in the snoz department, went a little brusque and wanted to troop everyone in sight.

Whilst on the same trip, Pat Pascoe and I decided to "stir" each other up by leaving little messages in the sound room. I finally won (if that is what you could call it) by leaving a message that his "Grandmother wore army boots". He tore into the mess and was about to hammer me when someone intervened. (Thank God as he would have killed me).

When we sailed from Singapore Xmas Eve, as acting CSAW, I was told that I had to shout the entire boat to a beer which seemed fair enough to me.  Boxing day, all the senior rates (those that did not do the usual and fly home) were mustered into the mess. I was asked to explain how I had over 100 beers on my beer chit. I explained the above and that all the messes were invited in for a beer. The XO said that he did not get an invite. Before I could respond, a voice at the back of the mess said "I wonder why?". This broke the mess up into fits of laughter and the XO stormed out.

I have left the names out to protect the guilty but the good skipper (LCDR Rob Woolrych) was relieved in Singapore by another and the evil XO of the west took full advantage.  (Nothing like being blinded whilst you are on the planes in black lighting by some poor bugger who has been told to scrub out the control room with a red torch."

Che Jackson sent the following: "A few snaps from my recent trip to the Monty Bello Islands. We caught some very big fish, – and some very nice reef fish also. No Cray’s. I finally conquered my fear of getting the flippers & mask on back on - and getting wet in the ocean, funnily enough right in the very place where 15 years ago I came as close to having my head removed by a 13' Tiger shark. Really quite humbling being in the water with a creature that wants to eat you, and not being able to do a thing about it, so yes the skipper made me check the anchor rope and splicing every night on dusk to be sure – I had no fear. All in all a great trip."

Sydney stand by for trouble! I hear that Ray Higgs and Brian 'Jock' Donnelly are heading for Sydney later this year as HMAS Anzac is getting a major refit in Garden Island.  If you ever get a chance to have a beer with Jock ask him about the time we became 'consulting psychiatrists' at a North Shore clinic.

A CNN journalist heard about a very old Jewish man who had been going to the Western Wall to pray, twice a day, every day, for a long, long time.  So she went to check it out. She went to the Western Wall and there he was, walking slowly up to the holy site.  She watched him pray and after about 45 minutes, when he turned to leave, using a cane and moving very slowly, she approached him for an interview.  "Pardon me, sir, I'm Rebecca Smith from CNN. Sir, how long have you been coming to the Western Wall and praying?"
"For about 60 years."
"60 years! That's amazing! What do you pray for?"
"I pray for peace between the Christians, Jews and the Muslims. I pray for all the wars and all the hatred to stop. I pray for all our children to grow up safely as responsible adults, and to love their fellow man."
"How do you feel after doing this for 60 years?"
"Like I'm talking to a brick wall."

Peter 'Pee Wee' Petherick has a video made by BAE systems in Barrow of the launch and building of HMS Astute. If interested contact Pee Wee and he may be able to arrange a copy if you send him a blank DVD and return addressed, postage paid envelope.

JANUARY EDITION OF THE SAA NEWSLETTER 'IN DEPTH' AVAILABLE ONLINE NOW - GO TO WWW.SUBMARINESAUSTRALIA.COM

The Jolly Roger and Submarines:  Clinton Roberts asked the question "I know submarines flew the Jolly Roger for sinking skimmers, did they fly them on return from mystery patrols?"

Admiral Sir Arthur Wilson VC, the Controller of the Royal Navy, summed up the opinion of the many in the Admiralty at the time when in 1901 he said submarines were "underhand, unfair, and damned un-English. ... treat all submarines as pirates in wartime ... and hang all crews." In response, Lieutenant Commander (later Admiral Sir) Max Horton first flew the Jolly Roger on return to port after sinking the German cruiser SMS Hela and the destroyer SMS S-116 in 1914 while in command of the E class submarine HMS E9.

During World War I, the submarine service came of age, winning five of the Royal Navy's fourteen Victoria Crosses, the first by Lieutenant Norman Holbrook, Commanding Officer of HMS B11.

In World War II it became common practice for the submarines of the Royal Navy and Royal Australian Navy to fly the Jolly Roger on completion of a successful combat mission where some action had taken place, but as an indicator of bravado and stealth rather than of lawlessness. The Jolly Roger is now the emblem of the Royal Navy Submarine Service.

The Jolly Roger was brought to the attention of a post World War II public when HMS Conqueror flew the Jolly Roger on her return from the Falklands War having sunk the cruiser ARA General Belgrano. In May 1991 Oberon class submarines HMS Opossum and her sister HMS Otus returned to the submarine base HMS Dolphin in Gosport from patrol in the Persian Gulf flying Jolly Rogers, for their part in Operation Granby during the Gulf War in 1991.[24][25][26] In 1999 HMS Splendid participated in the Kosovo Conflict and became the first Royal Navy submarine to fire a cruise missile in anger. On her return to Faslane, on July 9, 1999, Splendid flew the Jolly Roger.

After Operation Veritas, the attack on Al-Qaeda and Taliban forces following the 9/11 attacks in the United States, HMS Trafalgar entered Plymouth Sound flying the Jolly Roger on March 1, 2002. She was welcomed back by Admiral Sir Alan West, Commander-in-Chief of the fleet and it emerged she was the first Royal Navy submarine to launch tomahawk cruise missiles against Afghanistan.HMS Triumph was also involved in the initial strikes and on returning to port displayed a Jolly Roger emblazoned with two crossed Tomahawks to indicate her opening missiles salvoes in the "war against terrorism".

More recently, on April 16, 2003, HMS Turbulent, the first Royal Navy vessel to return home from the war against Iraq, arrived in Plymouth flying the Jolly Roger after launching thirty Tomahawk cruise missiles.

Quote of the day:
'Whatever you give a woman, she will make greater. If you give her sperm, she'll give you a baby. Give her a house, she'll give you a home. Give her groceries, she'll give you a meal. Give her a smile, she'll give you her heart. She multiplies and enlarges what is given. So, if you give her any crap, be ready to receive a ton of shit.'

Frederick Bax has reached a milestone in his life. Frederick reports "I have just finished a book (yes I can read) called "The Collins class Submarine Story" by Peter Yule and Derek Woolner. It is in libraries and the classification # is 359.9383.0994. (Being married to a librarian has that effect!) A very interesting read. I knew they had problems but didn't realise the depth (no pun intended). Time for brekky and off to bowls. No fishing today, caught them all yesterday."  It is an interesting read.  Yes, you do know Frederick, he was once Garry...............

While on the subject, Mr Derek Woolner, Visiting Fellow at the Strategic and Defence Studies Centre (SDSC), Australian National University, will address the USI of the ACT on “From Sea 1114 to Sea 1000 – the Collins Submarine Project and the next RAN Submarine” at the Spender Theatre, Australian Defence College, Weston Creek at 6.30pm on Wednesday 4 February 2009.

Mr Woolner, who is the co-author of the recently published book entitled “The Collins Class Submarine Story: Steel, Spies and Spin”, will talk about the program to build Australia’s Collins class submarines and discuss crucial issues in the development of the boats’ structures, systems, support and personnel, as well as the establishment of an Australian submarine building capacity.  Attendance is open to all who are interested, with no charge or pre-registration requirement. and newcomers are most welcome to attend and gather beforehand to meet with members and guests socially in the Weston Creek Mess, which will be open to all attendees from 5.00pm, with free bar snacks provided.   Further details can be obtained on the website at www.rusiaust.org. Annual membership of the USI of the ACT costs $30 and application forms are available at the presentations or from the Secretary, Mr Bob Howe on 02 6266 2167, email at act.usi@defence.gov.au or via the web.

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John Hogg reports "For the Grey Nomads among us, if you are looking for a spot to relax I can highly recommend the Ramon Deed Veterans' Retreat, it is situated just off the Silver City Highway, in Scout Road, Dareton NSW, 17kms from Mildura and 16 kms from Wentworth. All Veterans, Peacekeepers, Peacemakers, Serving and Ex-Service Personnel and their families are most welcome. $10 per night - $70 per week including power. Bookings are preferred, contact between 9am to 4pm daily on: (03) 5027 4447. I spent a week there, met a lot of like minded people and had a ball."

"Quotable Quotes"
'The vast majority of our imports come from outside the country.'
'If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.'
'One word sums up probably the responsibility of any Governor, and that one word is 'to be prepared'.'
'I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future.'
'The future will be better tomorrow.'
'We're going to have the best educated American people in the world.'
'I stand by all the misstatements that I've made.'
'We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a part of NATO. We have a firm commitment to Europe . We are a part of Europe '
'Public speaking is very easy.'
'A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls.'
'I have opinions of my own -- strong opinions -- but I don't always agree with them.'
'We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not occur.'
'For NASA, space is still a high priority.'
'Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our children.'
'It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it.'

We are going to miss George W. Bush

HEALTH MATTERS - TYPE 2 DIABETES

Symptoms of type 2 diabetes are often subtle and may be attributed to aging or obesity. A person may have type 2 diabetes for many years without knowing it. Type 2 diabetes can be precipitated by steroids and stress. If not properly treated, type 2 diabetes can lead to complications like blindness, kidney failure, heart disease, and nerve damage.

Common symptoms of diabetes:

• Fatigue: In diabetes, the body is inefficient and sometimes unable to use glucose for fuel. The body switches over to metabolizing fat, partially or completely, as a fuel source. This process requires the body to use more energy. The end result is feeling fatigued or constantly tired.

• Unexplained weight loss: People with diabetes are unable to process many of the calories in the foods they eat. Thus, they may lose weight even though they eat an apparently appropriate or even excessive amount of food. Losing sugar and water in the urine and the accompanying dehydration also contributes to weight loss.

• Excessive thirst (polydipsia): A person with diabetes develops high blood sugar levels, which overwhelms the kidney's ability to reabsorb the sugar as the blood is filtered to make urine. Excessive urine is made as the kidney spills the excess sugar. The body tries to counteract this by sending a signal to the brain to dilute the blood, which translates into thirst. The body encourages more water consumption to dilute the high blood sugar back to normal levels and to compensate for the water lost by excessive urination.

• Excessive urination (polyuria): Another way the body tries to get rid of the extra sugar in the blood is to excrete it in the urine. This can also lead to dehydration because excreting the sugar carries a large amount of water out of the body along with it.

• Excessive eating (polyphagia): If the body is able, it will secrete more insulin in order to try to deal with the excessive blood sugar levels. Moreover, the body is resistant to the action of insulin in type 2 diabetes. One of the functions of insulin is to stimulate hunger. Therefore, higher insulin levels lead to increased hunger and eating. Despite increased caloric intake, the person may gain very little weight and may even lose weight.

• Poor wound healing: High blood sugar levels prevent white blood cells, which are important in defending the body against bacteria and also in cleaning up dead tissue and cells, from functioning normally. When these cells do not function properly, wounds take much longer to heal and become infected more frequently. Also, long-standing diabetes is associated with thickening of blood vessels, which prevents good circulation including the delivery of enough oxygen and other nutrients to body tissues.

• Infections: Certain infection syndromes, such as frequent yeast infections of the genitals, skin infections, and frequent urinary tract infections, may result from suppression of the immune system by diabetes and by the presence of glucose in the tissues, which allows bacteria to grow well. They can also be an indicator of poor blood sugar control in a person known to have diabetes.

• Altered mental status: Agitation, unexplained irritability, inattention, extreme lethargy, or confusion can all be signs of very high blood sugar, ketoacidosis, hyperosmolar hyperglycemia nonketotic syndrome, or hypoglycemia (low sugar). Thus, any of these merit the immediate attention of a medical professional. Call your health care provider or 911.

• Blurry vision: Blurry vision is not specific for diabetes but is frequently present with high blood sugar levels.

People with type 2 diabetes can develop hyperglycemic hyperosmolar nonketotic syndrome (HHNS).

Hyperosmolar Hyperglycemic Nonketotic Syndrome, or HHNS, is a serious condition most frequently seen in older persons. HHNS can happen to people with either type 1 or type 2 diabetes, but it occurs more often in people with type 2. HHNS is usually brought on by something else, such as an illness or infection. In HHNS, blood sugar levels rise, and your body tries to get rid of the excess sugar by passing it into your urine. You make lots of urine at first, and you have to go to the bathroom more often. Later you may not have to go to the bathroom as often, and your urine becomes very dark. Also, you may be very thirsty. Even if you are not thirsty, you need to drink liquids. If you don't drink enough liquids at this point, you can get dehydrated.

If HHNS continues, the severe dehydration will lead to seizures, coma and eventually death. HHNS may take days or even weeks to develop. Know the warning signs of HHNS.

Warning Signs of HHNS;

• Blood sugar level over 600 mg/dl

• Dry, parched mouth

• Extreme thirst (although this may gradually disappear)

• Warm, dry skin that does not sweat

• High fever (over 101 degrees Fahrenheit, for example)

• Sleepiness or confusion

• Loss of vision

• Hallucinations (seeing or hearing things that are not there)

• Weakness on one side of the body

If you have any of these symptoms, call someone on your health care team.

How to avoid HHNS
The best way to avoid HHNS is to check your blood sugar regularly. Many people check their blood sugar several times a day, such as before or after meals. Talk with your health care team about when to check and what the numbers mean. You should also talk with your health care team about your target blood sugar range and when to call if your blood sugars are too high, or too low and not in your target range. When you are sick, you will check your blood sugar more often, and drink a glass of liquid (alcohol-free and caffeine-free) every hour. Work with your team to develop your own sick day plan.

Go to beyondblue, a national, independent, not-for-profit organisation working to address issues associated with depression, anxiety and related substance issues so that you may help others, or maybe even yourself.

“There is nothing wrong with asking for help.

Can you help?
A request for information has come through the office where I am currently working, Director of Sailors’ Career Management, from DVA who are investigating a claim from an un-named sailor who is making a claim.

The query is regarding a product that was used in HMAS Melbourne in the late 1950s and early 1960s. The product in question is a ‘black powder obtained from the UK that was used in the forward evaporator to de-scale the tubes’, whether the water side or steam side I don’t know. What would I know I was a greenie?

Could you post this on your website in the hope that somebody might know what this product was called or its composition? Thanks for your help, this may assist an ex-sailor in his claim. Replies may be forwarded to me by email. Richard 'Dixie' Lee  (ex-CPOETW, SD WEEO)

Mick met Paddy in the street and said, 'Paddy, will you draw your bedroom curtains before making love to your wife in future?'
'Bejaysus Why?' Paddy asked.  'Because,' said Mick, 'the whole street was laughing when they saw you making love yesterday.'
Paddy said, 'Stupid bastards, the laugh's on them ... I wasn't home yesterday.'

Subject: Death of Peter Passmore
The stokers.org website received the following from the Passmore Family.

Dear all,
Not long ago we all lost a dear friend, family member and colleague, Pete Passmore to suicide. Whilst those closet to him knew of his struggles with depression, the choice that Pete made that day was as unexpected as it was unwanted and has left his family, friends and community grieving for their loss.

Suicide Prevention Australia is a non-profit, non-government organisation working as a public health advocate in suicide prevention.
Their vision is of A community that values people and the quality of life; a nation where no one believes suicide or self-harm is the only option for them.

The SPA website also reveals that suicide among men of all diversities remains one of the more complex and challenging, yet preventable, health issues facing Australian communities today. Indeed, men account for more than 80 per cent of recorded suicide deaths each year. This risk is something to which every man is potentially vulnerable.

In memory of Pete, and in the hope that by supporting SPA other communities may be spared this grief, Ruth and Fiona have suggested that anyone who would like to make a contribution, either financially, or by spreading the word about the important work being done, goes to this link.

For those who wish to make a donation in Pete's memory go to this link and then, following the donation, please email  to inform SPA that they have just donated to Pete's memorial, and a tax receipt will be issued. Please do pass this information on to anyone whom you know that would wish to learn more, donate or perhaps benefit personally from the advice and support available at SPA.

With thanks,

The Passmore family

DEFENCE NEWS

NAVY PUTS SAFETY FIRST WITH SUBMARINE FORCE
Australia’s Chief of Navy, Vice Admiral Russ Crane AM CSM, RAN says he is determined to keep the RAN’s submarine force at a world class operating and safety standard.

Up to 100 submariners will travel to Canada later this year to conduct pressurised escape training as part of their ongoing safety training program. This is a temporary measure designed to overcome issues caused by a failure to achieve a satisfactory contractual outcome between the Defence Materiel Organisation and the preferred tenderer for the operation of the Australian Submarine Escape and Training Facility (SETF) at HMAS Stirling in Western Australia.

Arrangements have been made with Get Wines Direct for SAA members to purchase fine wines as and when they wish from the Internet that will provide a 5% return to the Association. This company is recommended by well know wine quaffer Paul Meakin for over two years  with absolute satisfaction. You order  what wines you want when you want and within 4-8 days Australia Post will deliver to your door. There is a very wide selection of wines and you can either occasionally look up the website when you want to order or you can go on their e-mail out list for twice weekly specials. Please review the website list and when you place your order be sure to include the CLUB ID number to go onto your order so the SAA can claim the 5%. Their web site is WinesDirect and the process of ordering is eazy peazy. SAA ID Number is 3558 WA   ID Number is 9375

Vice Admiral Crane has rejected media reports critical of the cost of sending sailors to Halifax on Canada's east coast, pointing out that the money for this overseas training does not require new funding. The training will be paid for with money already allocated for training that would have been conducted at the SETF.

“Nothing is more important to us than the safety of our sailors and we rely on contractors to provide us with a world class service”, Vice Admiral Crane said. “Defence will not enter into contracts that do not represent value for money for the Australian taxpayer but I will do whatever it takes to provide appropriate safety training for our sailors.”

Vice Admiral Crane also rejected suggestions that the sailors would be travelling to Canada in business class and the false impression that this has created. “Any assertion that this is an additional taxpayer funded expense is just not true” Vice Admiral Crane said. The cost of training will be offset by not using the west coast facility for pressurised training until a satisfactory contractual outcome is achieved.”

Navy personnel can still take part in unpressurised escape training at the SETF which will minimise the time required to continue their training in Canada.

The Navy also has robust submarine rescue procedures. The recent unavailability of the defence owned rescue vehicle Remora currently requires rescue support to be provided by a major contractor in the UK until the Australian system is fully certified and available. This contractor was recently successfully integrated into ADF practices. “A number of submarine operating nations rely on international contractors in the event of a submarine rescue, Vice Admiral Crane said. “Indeed prior to the arrival of the submarine rescue capability this is how the RAN provided this capability to our Oberon Class submariners. While I am extremely keen to see the Australian system back on line as soon as possible I am confident that should the worst occur, the interim overseas contractor solution means we are ready to respond.”

The pressure escape training facility, described on navy's website as "the most advanced of its kind in the world today", has not been used since last May after a tender dispute between the navy and the ASC. The taxpayer-funded trip is the result of a dispute between the navy and ASC last year, which has left the navy with no contractor to manage its submarine escape training facility in Perth.

A forthcoming audit report is expected to be highly critical of the management of submarine escape and rescue services.

For deep-sea submarine rescues, the navy uses a 16.5-tonne rescue vehicle called Remora, which attaches to the sunken submarine and brings six survivors at a time to the surface.  The Remora is in storage after it failed to regain its safety certification after an accident off the coast of Perth in December 2006 when a snapped cable caused two men to be trapped inside the vessel for 12 hours at a depth of 140m.

The draft ANAO report says Remora has previously been subjected to unauthorised alterations and inadequate maintenance.

At present, any stricken Collins Class submarine would have to wait until a rescue vehicle was brought out from Britain, raising doubts about whether it could be deployed in time to save the lives of the crew.

London Sunday Times assessment of the War in Iraq
The Investor's Business Daily editorial board ask, 'What would happen if the U.S. won a war but the media didn't tell the American public.  Apparently, we have to rely on a British newspaper for the news that we've defeated the last remnants of al-Qaida in Iraq .'

London 's Sunday Times called it 'the culmination of one of the most spectacular victories of the war on terror.' A terrorist force that once numbered more than 12,000, with strongholds in the west and central regions of Iraq , has over two years been reduced to a mere 1,200 fighters, backed against the wall in the northern city of Mosul.

The destruction of al-Qaida in Iraq (AQI) is one of the most unlikely and unforeseen events in the long history of American warfare. We can thank President Bush's surge strategy, in which he bucked both Republican and Democratic leaders in Washington by increasing our forces there instead of surrendering.

We can also thank the leadership of the new general he placed in charge there, David Petraeus, who may be the foremost expert in the world on counter-insurgency warfare. And we can thank those serving in our military in Iraq who engaged local Iraqi tribal leaders and convinced them America was their friend and AQI their enemy.

Al-Qaida's loss of the hearts and minds of ordinary Iraqis began in Anbar Province, which had been written off as a basket case, and spread out from there. Now, in Operation Lion's Roar the Iraqi army and the U.S. 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment is destroying the fraction of terrorists who are left. More than 1,000 AQI operatives have already been apprehended.

Sunday Times reporter Marie Colvin, traveling with Iraqi forces in Mosul ,found little AQI presence even in bullet-ridden residential areas that were once insurgency strongholds, and reported that the terrorists have lost control of its Mosul urban base, with what is left of the organization having fled south into the countryside.

Gold wire pocket badges for all Oberon submarines   They are removable and can be transferred to different jackets. Price is $35.00 each plus postage. These are extremely high quality and can be used for many purposes - Wearing on jacket or blazer (4 pins on reverse), mounting in frame with Medals, bar display. It is left to your imagination. See them in the Slops Van or they can be purchased direct from Carol Wilson.

Meanwhile, the State Department reports that Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's government has achieved 'satisfactory' progress on 15 of the 18 political benchmarks ??? a big change for the better from a year ago. Things are going so well that Maliki has even for the first time floated the idea of a timetable for withdrawal of American forces. He did so while visiting the United Arab Emirates, which over the weekend announced that it was forgiving almost $7 billion of debt owed by Baghdad ??? an impressive vote of confidence from a fellow Arab state in the future of a free Iraq .

But where are the headlines and the front-page stories about all this good news? As the Media Research Center pointed out last week, 'the CBS Evening News, NBC Nightly News and CNN's Anderson Cooper 360 were silent Tuesday night about the benchmarks' that signaled political progress. The war in Iraq has been turned around 180 degrees both militarily and politically because the president stuck to his guns. Yet apart from IBD, Fox News Channel and parts of the foreign press, the media don't seem to consider this historic event a big story.

Scorpenes Headed For Southeast Asian Home
January 31, 2009: Malaysia has received the first of two Scorpene subs it purchased from France. The Scorpene is a modern French-Spanish diesel-electric submarine (a variant uses air-independent propulsion) that displaces 1,700 tons, has a top speed of 37 kilometers per hour, and is armed with six 21-inch torpedo tubes with eighteen torpedoes or SM.39 Exocet anti-ship missiles. Each sub has a crew of 31.

Last year, 119 Malaysian sailors and officers completed a four year course in operating submarines. Another 143 sailors are still undergoing training. The large number of sailors are being trained to allow for those who will get out of the navy, or may not prove up to the job. Malaysia is also getting an older Agosta sub as a training boat.

The Malaysian crew took possession of their Scorpene (the "Tunku Abdul Rahman"), in France, and will take the sub back to Malaysia, after several months of training on the boat, later this year. The second boat, the "Tun Razak". will be ready for its Malaysian crew before the end of the year.
 

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